CX offers Hong Kong pilots, cabin crew voluntary redundancy
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I don’t doubt you. However, never underestimate how quick people tend to forget, especially when they are on the outside and not directly impacted. Travellers to HK won’t even notice.
Stallone
You’re probably right, perhaps even much smaller than that. However, someone will need to fill the void of a major increase in air travel to and from HK. Be it CX, other HK airlines or even just mainly foreign carriers. If it’s not CX that will need that many pilots, someone else will. The point being, globally, airline crew numbers will inevitably need to return to pre covid levels. Which airlines will be prepared with fully trained crew is another matter.
I don’t doubt you. However, never underestimate how quick people tend to forget, especially when they are on the outside and not directly impacted. Travellers to HK won’t even notice.
Stallone
You’re probably right, perhaps even much smaller than that. However, someone will need to fill the void of a major increase in air travel to and from HK. Be it CX, other HK airlines or even just mainly foreign carriers. If it’s not CX that will need that many pilots, someone else will. The point being, globally, airline crew numbers will inevitably need to return to pre covid levels. Which airlines will be prepared with fully trained crew is another matter.
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I am beginning to suspect that the grand plan is to (in the not too distant future) announce that Greater Bay Airlines has purchased the assets of the newly shrunken CX....and voila, the new "greater bay airlines" , aka....Cathay Pacific. Mainland chinese owned, most expats gone and the Swires put in their place once and for all. Time will tell...
A very realistic scenario, back in 1988 CAAC Airlines was split into the big three, being Air China, China Southern and China Eastern. Each of them was headquartered in a different part of the country. Greater Bay would make the big four, and whilst it’s a bit close to China Southern in Guangzhou, there is probably enough air traffic in that region to support two major airlines.
All the profits stay within China, Beijing tightens its grip on HKG and one of the last relics of the colonial era is gone.
All the profits stay within China, Beijing tightens its grip on HKG and one of the last relics of the colonial era is gone.
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While the argument is sound, I personally wouldn’t support the airline being the same size.
The 60-70 777 aircraft that was going to remain a similar size and get 21 777-9s on a one to one replacement will no doubt be a much smaller fleet now, with a likely reduction of 10-15 777-9s if the rumour is true the fleet could be in the 20-25 mark like the -400 fleet used to be. The Airbus (CX+KA) fleet size has reduced the A320NEOs have been delayed except for the ones that couldn’t. A350s will most like be a one for one replacement of A330s rather than expand the fleet.
CX has historically never placed huge aircraft orders it’s always been incremental so the fleet won’t return any time soon, it could be 10 years before the fleet is back to its former self if ever and the cadet course which is it’s early years brought 10 pilots a year can tick along with over 100 a year absorbing retirement’s and keeping the training machine running normally plus you will always have the option of DE who will be floating around. COS18 will be fine if they come for AHK and HK express they can come to CX.
The airline will mostly shrink till right sized. Then who knows, begin to build, or like others have suggested become ‘China Pacific’ or the like.
While the argument is sound, I personally wouldn’t support the airline being the same size.
The 60-70 777 aircraft that was going to remain a similar size and get 21 777-9s on a one to one replacement will no doubt be a much smaller fleet now, with a likely reduction of 10-15 777-9s if the rumour is true the fleet could be in the 20-25 mark like the -400 fleet used to be. The Airbus (CX+KA) fleet size has reduced the A320NEOs have been delayed except for the ones that couldn’t. A350s will most like be a one for one replacement of A330s rather than expand the fleet.
CX has historically never placed huge aircraft orders it’s always been incremental so the fleet won’t return any time soon, it could be 10 years before the fleet is back to its former self if ever and the cadet course which is it’s early years brought 10 pilots a year can tick along with over 100 a year absorbing retirement’s and keeping the training machine running normally plus you will always have the option of DE who will be floating around. COS18 will be fine if they come for AHK and HK express they can come to CX.
The airline will mostly shrink till right sized. Then who knows, begin to build, or like others have suggested become ‘China Pacific’ or the like.
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Posterizing;
The “only” reason HK was Chinas “back door” ( front door in actual fact) was because of HK’s” rule of British Law + an INDEPENDENT of China judiciary and government !! China has now urinated on ALL those factors leaving HK as just another corrupted CCP controlled Chinese city. This, coupled with the “flavor” of HK being stripped away in favor of elite mega malls makes HK just another stupendously expensive puppet city reminiscent of Leningrad 🧐 I imagine EVERY corporate body in the entire communist enclave is searching for an alternate HQ. As for tourism, the CCP and the damage the China Virus has wreaked on the globe has cancelled that thought from every tourist on the planet. RIP !
The “only” reason HK was Chinas “back door” ( front door in actual fact) was because of HK’s” rule of British Law + an INDEPENDENT of China judiciary and government !! China has now urinated on ALL those factors leaving HK as just another corrupted CCP controlled Chinese city. This, coupled with the “flavor” of HK being stripped away in favor of elite mega malls makes HK just another stupendously expensive puppet city reminiscent of Leningrad 🧐 I imagine EVERY corporate body in the entire communist enclave is searching for an alternate HQ. As for tourism, the CCP and the damage the China Virus has wreaked on the globe has cancelled that thought from every tourist on the planet. RIP !
Back in the early 1990s, CX was still an attractive employer. The newly introduced “B” scale wasn’t that bad and the airline was still a good career option. The big question was of course 1997 and the handover.
In those days, China was much weaker and HKG was a valuable prize. The goose needed to keep on laying and was cut some slack. Now a quarter of a century later China is much stronger and more developed. HKG is of much less importance, foreign airlines carrying tourists and business men fly directly to mainland cities, Shanghai is on its way to becoming the world’s largest financial centre.
HKG is becoming just another Chinese province which won’t toe the party line, similar to Xinjiang, and will be treated in the same way.
In those days, China was much weaker and HKG was a valuable prize. The goose needed to keep on laying and was cut some slack. Now a quarter of a century later China is much stronger and more developed. HKG is of much less importance, foreign airlines carrying tourists and business men fly directly to mainland cities, Shanghai is on its way to becoming the world’s largest financial centre.
HKG is becoming just another Chinese province which won’t toe the party line, similar to Xinjiang, and will be treated in the same way.
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Hong Kong still has one of the largest stock markets in the world outside of the US. Equal in size to shanghai and london. There is a large workforce of financialy literate, english speaking citizens. That doesn't get replaced easily. Politics doesn't really come in to people's business decisions or travel plans. Hk still has a part to play.
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These people are very welcome in the countries that they are increasingly moving to, the UK realises what an asset they are and gives them BNO passports in the hope that they will come with their money and expertise. HKG is in decline and unfortunately so is CX. The airline will probably survive in a smaller form but will have to downsize similar to EY, becoming more of a regional airline with a few long haul routes. The EK model of a hub and spoke airline doing long haul connecting flights in very large aircraft with a focus on premium pax is broken for the foreseeable future. At least CX avoided buying the A380, but unlike EK and SQ, they lack the strong government backing needed for an airline with no domestic network to get through this crisis.
As is the case in most airlines, it will be the foreigners that bear the brunt of the layoffs. After the pandemic ends foreign pilots will probably still be needed, but it will be as expats on fixed term contracts rather than career employees expecting to stay until retirement. Likely similar to working in China before COVID; you were needed but not wanted, contracts weren't worth the paper they were printed on, any labour laws favoured the employer but the pay was good while it lasted.
These people are very welcome in the countries that they are increasingly moving to, the UK realises what an asset they are and gives them BNO passports in the hope that they will come with their money and expertise. HKG is in decline and unfortunately so is CX. The airline will probably survive in a smaller form but will have to downsize similar to EY, becoming more of a regional airline with a few long haul routes. The EK model of a hub and spoke airline doing long haul connecting flights in very large aircraft with a focus on premium pax is broken for the foreseeable future. At least CX avoided buying the A380, but unlike EK and SQ, they lack the strong government backing needed for an airline with no domestic network to get through this crisis.
As is the case in most airlines, it will be the foreigners that bear the brunt of the layoffs. After the pandemic ends foreign pilots will probably still be needed, but it will be as expats on fixed term contracts rather than career employees expecting to stay until retirement. Likely similar to working in China before COVID; you were needed but not wanted, contracts weren't worth the paper they were printed on, any labour laws favoured the employer but the pay was good while it lasted.
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No free jobs, but Local Ex KA crew operated cx simulators, doing cx prof checks, flying cx SOP’s and being paid by cx. New ka joiners and local crew were all trained by cx and even had to pass the cx hr interviews.
Who else could possibly be better pre qualified?
No free jobs, but Local Ex KA crew operated cx simulators, doing cx prof checks, flying cx SOP’s and being paid by cx. New ka joiners and local crew were all trained by cx and even had to pass the cx hr interviews.
Who else could possibly be better pre qualified?
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I agree entirely. They deserve a chance at a position. But there is always going to be resentment like any airline. Who’s to say the sim ride will be a normal interview sim and the interview will be fairly conducted. Time will tell how they move forward with it all. There is still HK Air Cargo, UO and Air HK to place them. I can’t see the old boys being happy letting in many Dragon pilots and they are the ones that can skew the entry criteria.
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How the **** did that get past the board?
A new GM position in IOC at a time when CX's traffic levels are at their lowest for decades. Just how many Directors and GMs does it take to run this
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A new GM position in IOC at a time when CX's traffic levels are at their lowest for decades. Just how many Directors and GMs does it take to run this
?