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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 01:10
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NZ Base following the Aussi base. Closing. The crunch will be if the boys can get visas. I suspect they will now that the company is recruiting HKG PR pilots.

By the end of the year the bases will all be closed.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 01:37
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Sorry to all the guys and gals on those bases. Some great characters to fly with. They will be missed. Whatever happens, I hope they end up coming out smelling like a roses! In a word... Sad.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 04:20
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Look at my posts in this thread on 1st and 3rd May.
London will stay open.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 06:38
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Whilst we all admire your optimism, come on face the music....

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Old 5th Jun 2021, 22:57
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Anyone able to confirm that the AKL FOs who stayed on COS99 and took bypass pay are now been offered POS18 with RA65? Anyone else in the company with old RA55 now on RA65?
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 04:18
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May I ask what makes you think 4 wks of severance/year is likely, and in which based jurisdiction are you thinking?
Do you have any references to the legislation on which your statement is based?

I think there are a lot of interested people who would like to know whether you are actually correct, or more likely just pontificating and believing some very wishful thinking.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 11:13
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Fat Cat Prima Donna Pilots> :Yes, good question , but even if it is so , 4 weeks multiplied by 30 would only be 60 weeks, a bit more than 1 year salary. Cheap at the price. Should have been done years ago. Cathay Pacific Management ability is questionable. No wonder the share price has been falling. for a long time. Why oh why is Hong Kong Government spending billions to support this badly managed airline?..

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Old 6th Jun 2021, 11:21
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My maths may be bad, but I don’t think it is that bad. 4 x 30 = 60? I thought it was 120, which is 2 years and 4 months pay. Not bad considering with 30 years in you wouldn’t be too far off retirement anyways.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 11:33
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Yes I stand corrected. Anyway should dismiss the older ones , except key instructors, first and accept the temporary set back to annual profits or losses.
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Old 8th Jun 2021, 03:20
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Originally Posted by controlledrest
Anyone able to confirm that the AKL FOs who stayed on COS99 and took bypass pay are now been offered POS18 with RA65? Anyone else in the company with old RA55 now on RA65?
YES THAT IS CORRECT. Also, technically they were on COS 2002, when NZBL was formed which was the equivalent of Cos 99
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Old 8th Jun 2021, 16:51
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From Simple Flying web site (in case not seen)
Cathay Pacific has confirmed it will close its Australian base in July. This follows news the Hong Kong-based airline will shut its Canada base. The fate of Cathay Pacific bases in New Zealand, Europe, and the United States remain up in the air.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:15
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It would be nice to think Senior Management would analyse both the calibre of troops lost in the upcoming base closures, and the actual cost of redundancy payouts. Alas, I don't think they will give a ****, hence my decision.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 00:59
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You’d better have a read of the letter exchange between AOAE and the company - if you’re a member of the union that is. The company is trying to assert that redundancy doesn’t apply to the FRA closure as there is no global headcount reduction. After all, they are recruiting in HK 🙄

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Old 14th Jun 2021, 02:52
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And Dog? They did join a HK airline.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 07:49
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My point is that the company will use any legalese trick in the book to wriggle out of financial obligations. It is plainly obvious that they are being made redundant but the company is trying to use the sham recruitment drive to deny them their contractual right to an extra few months of redundancy payout versus ‘voluntary’ termination. The same premise would also nullify the built-in seniority protections of the contract. Those on the US base should take note in case they think their contracts are any better.

Yes this is a HK airline, with management that without a shred of conscience will stoop as low as necessary to save a buck.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 11:35
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Ridiculous if true (I’m certainly not arguing!) - because in the U.K., the relocation of your work beyond a reasonable distance qualifies as redundancy, which has been tested numerous times in court.

I’m led to believe that German workers enjoy pretty robust laws and protections - so that would be surprising if they can’t protect redundancy payouts..

the company will always try their hand, I’m sure, but it won’t be over for years in that case.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 17:43
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Sounds like they haven’t really thought it though…

kind of seems like proper planning is out the window now.

they can’t even seem to fill the freighters at the moment.. nuts with other cargo airlines breaking records.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 23:55
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They joined an airline which has its head office in HKG and offered Temp and Permanent bases in a wide range of countries.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 23:57
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100% true.

Aussi and Kiwis expected to be back in HKG by end of Sept - even though there is no real work for them. Quarantine at their own expense.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 23:59
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Same thing they told AOAA and AOA (NZ). And the bastards got away with it.
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