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Flight Time Qualifications before employment

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Flight Time Qualifications before employment

Old 11th Apr 2021, 06:18
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Krug departure, Merlot transition
Posts: 579
Nothing wrong with taking cadets, in fact assuming you have a valid training system, you get a chance to form them from the beginning. Plenty of successful and safe airlines such as KLM/BA/AZ etc have always done so.

Throw them in with a good mix of ex-GA (who have survived the bush, or PNG, or students trying to kill them) and ex-Military (who literally had to survive people trying to kill them) and the resulting stew is quite solid, with everyone ideally benefitting from the variety of everybody else’s background. Who gives a toss about where they’re from, I’ve seen excellent (and marginal) pilots from everywhere, it’s a matter of aptitude and attitude.

Even better, ensure their career follows a logical path: start off as longhaul S/O, followed by cutting their teeth on a 320 shorthaul into China and SE Asia. Then, after a suitable period of multiple sectors a day in all sorts of weather and plenty of hands-on exposure, back to longhaul as an F/O.

This would all be perfectly possible and ideal from a safety/quality perspective, unfortunately in the modern corporate environment cost-saving tends to trump everything.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 06:20
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Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: HKSAR
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Hong Kong was a place like no other for expats, especially in the 80s and early 90s. After the handover, a lot of the colonial mindset was still in place, within individuals and within corporations. I believe that a lot of the sentiments felt by some of the expats then are stemmed from that mindset.

Some may have had one or two bad experiences with local captains and use that as their forever mouthpiece, without looking at any statistical evidence. If one look at “significant events” in the last 20 years, almost all of them involved expat captains. With regards to demotion (either from captain to FO or taken off training), I can think of one local guy and 8 expats in the last 10 years. Which statistically is the proportion of local vs expats captain.

Everyone has good days and bad days at the office, it is about working as a team to manage any events. When there is a typhoon the company doesn’t roster only expats for the flights (though some individuals both locals and expats are known to call sick for those). Let’s just get on with the job and stop the divide and hate. Let’s be nice to each other and be less

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Old 11th Apr 2021, 10:51
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: The Twain
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main-dog, correcto mundo. That is exactly how it should be.

I always learned something useful about aviation from pilots who came into the airline world in the many different ways, different from my route.

The diversity of CX was superb as a learning environment, with a beer in hand at the end of the day listening to PNG, RAAF, RAF, Arctic Circle twins, GA hanger sweeper, LCC or Adelaide, all had their stories that contributed to the saying that you learn from other peoples mistakes, as you won't live long enough to learn from your own.
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