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Fragrant Harbour now a eunuch colony

Old 22nd Mar 2021, 13:41
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Iím sorry Busbitch. Godspeed.
If you want to put your two cents in (assuming youíre still interested in that), keep telling the kids what it is really like.
We need to tell the world that aviation is dead for pilots. Donít encourage anyone to go into it any more.
Affect the supply and demand to OUR advantage as much as we can.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 14:20
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Thanks mate, as I said, I'm heartbroken. I think of the years at CX, the hard slog in the city, the RTPC's, upgrade assessments etc, god I worked hard. I worked hard before I got there too, for years, so many years but the company didn't back me when I needed them most, I was a fool to think they would. Anyway I choose a new path now & yeah kids out there, don't do it, it's just not worth it, not any more. cheers.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 03:10
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Busbitch

I couldn't agree more. Good luck with your new endeavour.

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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 11:20
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Busbitch

Sad indeed. It will be of little solace I know, however I don’t think many of your colleagues in Hong Kong are that far behind you. scared of having their families incarcerated in what is essentially a prison camp, for no other reason other than going to school. Or repeated requests to engage in mental health damaging “ fruit loops and super loops” etc. It may not seem like it now however you’re well rid.
God speed.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 20:47
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Originally Posted by noboloco View Post
you think this kind of corporate behaviour is limited to aviation? Stop being so self absorbed
this is aviation forum
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 23:22
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Jnr380

Vietjet paying $3k usd a month for contract skippers at the moment. Anyone who hasn’t been fired in the ME is on at best 50%, though I have mates on housing and education paid only and base pay is at 0%.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 01:21
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EK back to 100% restored pay , slightly reduced benefits. Stand by for new T&Cs
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 07:34
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Heard they’re coming. Also many that were fired haven’t been invited back.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 08:35
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2500 fired, out of 4000ish... staggering. Some being recalled.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 03:16
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Piet Lood

The last two sentences is your typical flawed pilot mentality. All CX has to do is find a 18 year old with a high school diploma who's willing to spend the next 18 months in Adelaide, and there you go - your cheap replacement eager to sign up for COS18 at a whim. There will never be a 'pilot shortage'.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 05:37
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And all the FAA has to do (followed by EASA, ICAO etc) is to introduce a minimum hour requirement, ie after the Buffalo catastrophe, and there’s your pilot shortage. Wham, bam, thank you ma’am

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...line-recovery/

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Old 28th Mar 2021, 12:20
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Oddball77

Hence the words: “as much as we can”.

Never say never!
As heard in 2007 in the USA: “there will never be a black man in the White House”.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 12:39
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Oddball77

I’d go further.

We’re actually yet to see the impact of COS18, but if the company survives we undoubtedly will. There’s the possibility that Adelaide is all but over except for a handful of local cadets as per the 1990’s. The majority of issues with expansion or replacements will be through direct entry, either captains or first officers.

We saw how management has twisted its way through any number of freighter crewing issues over the past 30 years. Just imagine what they’ll do when there’s no twisting required at all but simply comply with the contract you’ve signed. Zoom in on the two pilots flying an airbus which was the headline of the latest Boeing newsletter (go figure).
Then try finding their names on a seniority list. Welcome to the future post COS08.

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Old 28th Mar 2021, 13:52
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I know this has been done to death. But seniority lists while sometimes good for pilots are usually to their detriment. I know not all airlines have them but most do, especially the bigger ones. Airlines know after a certain point pilots lose their biggest weapon... to walk away and go somewhere else. All you have left is union action (strike action), but in any industry the larger the corporation the less effective this will be. More people with varying ďstuffĒ going on in their lives, more ability to appear anonymous amongst a large workforce...

T&Cís will only be going in one direction as long as we keep such a system worldwide.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 14:03
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Curry Lamb

Anyone that thinks we will be back to normal by 2025 needs to have their head shook! If we are back to 50% by then I think we should count ourselves lucky. The vaccine rollout other than the UK isn’t going stellar. Even then the older folks are already being told they will need a third shot come September. Problem is we won’t have finished the first vaccine rollout by then. Supplies are starting to feel the pinch. Then you have the new vaccine resistant strains.... in order for the aviation industry to ever get back above 50% the vast majority of the world will have to be vaccinated. And re-vaccinated once new variants arise. Some first world countries may just be able to keep up with this, but the vast majority
of the world will not. Halfway through their vaccination program and have to stop and start all over due to a new strain.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 23:10
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highflyer40

Couldn’t agree more, the ability to walk away and still find the appropriate level position is how the rest of the world functions and it works fine.
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Old 28th Mar 2021, 23:10
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stevieboy330

550 Sim hours? What a weird statistic to post. If you're based, then you've probably been here for 10+ years. How have you burned through your savings in the last year? The 0% pay thing was fairly recent. How lavish a life have you been living that you have to sell your house and pull your kids out of school because your income got cut in half for less than a year? Don't take it out on your coworkers because you can't live within your means. Some of those HK coworkers you're attacking have also taken a 50% cut, and they've been spending their lives in quarantine and locked down in hotels for the last year. Many of them would have loved to get paid half salary to enjoy the normal life at home and not have to work. Covid sucks! Deal with it.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 05:13
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highflyer40

Haha really!! You watch how your T and C s go when they start hiring the “will fly for food crowd”. In real airlines that respect their senior crew the seniority system works fine. In carpet-bagger organisations like COS18 CX it’s going to be an accelerated race to the bottom.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 06:27
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It still hampens your ability to leave. We should get paid for the amount of experience we have not for how long we have stayed in a company. My opportunities for upgrade should be based on my hours and years in the flightdeck regardless of which picture is on the tail. Companies love seniority because they don't have to pay senior pilots as much to keep them.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 08:11
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It also acts as a major disincentive for people to leave - so they save on recruitment costs as well. Its hard to think of another major industry were it is still applied with such rigour
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