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Work Visa renewals

Old 10th Jun 2021, 10:17
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How many pilots do you think will return to HK from the closed bases? My guess is they'll lose quite a few who either can't or don't want to move back to HK.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 02:59
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All the ones I know who are only going back to get their IR & AR renewed and collect a cheque till they can go work somewhere else ASAP. Almost every very single pilot I know at CX wants to leave.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 08:52
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That sums it up nicely.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 12:56
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ToCatLady

What drives this stupid superiority complex at CX? KA B scale had a better contract, a better leave system that actually worked, more money and 25 years house purchase scheme. I couldn't have given a toss where I flew to it was all about the time off and the money. Why would anybody aspire to make bunks for 3 years and wait 12 years for a command?
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 04:34
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"KA B scale had a better contract, a better leave system that actually worked, more money and 25 years house purchase scheme."

You do realise that's why KA was shut down in favour of the less-entitled at CX.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 04:57
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Do you think that is the reason why KA was shut down. Are you that ignorant?
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 05:42
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Make that 17 years to command. Could be more.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 06:37
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Jeez boys, really? KA vs CX willy-waving eight months after the former were so brutally demolished?

Nothing to do with who had better pilots or a better contract, rather a top-level corporative decision based on aircraft, slots, predicted evolution of the pandemic, perceived brand value etc. An imperfect decision of course, but there you have it. Several hundred KA families lost their income and face highly uncertain futures. More and more CX families are joining them, be it the smaller number who lost their jobs at the same time, or the several hundred who are losing their jobs on bases right now or risk doing so due to visa issues.

It’s bloody carnage in our industry, with no quick end end in sight at the moment, especially here. Those who have lost and are losing their jobs deserve the sympathy of those holding onto theirs (albeit on drastically slashed Ts&Cs). Here’s hoping there’s light at the end of this bloody long tunnel.

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Old 13th Jun 2021, 08:13
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No waving of anything here, just observation.
If KA's package was better overall then presumably their cost/unit work was higher. Closing down KA was administratively easy and saved money in the long run. Once expat benefits were eliminated, base closures were inevitable for the same reasons.
No malice, no judgement, just the way I think it was.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 08:30
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Perhaps, though bear in mind flight crew costs only run to around 4% of total outlay. I doubt respective crew costs were the deciding factor? But (going back on topic), the decision did lead to the current visa issue. Still no news there, except for crickets...
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 07:00
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GMA update…
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 07:38
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It is very good news that the future is a little more promising for a least six months for those on visas. You just have to wonder what was offered in return.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 07:41
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How does Danny get news faster than my effort to log into my email? For those interested without access:

The government has told Cathay it will extend the work visas of its expat pilots, but not its foreign cabin crew, according to an internal memo. Photo: Winson WongHong Kong immigration officials will renew the visas of all of Cathay Pacific’s expatriate pilots, but its large contingent of foreign cabin crew will be denied extensions permitting them to remain based in the city, according to memos seen by the Post.

The decision leaves the airline’s foreign cabin crew at risk of losing their jobs, with the airline saying it would offer the same voluntary redundancy package to affected staff that it offered to others in late April.

In its memo on Thursday, Cathay expressed regret that some employees would have to leave the company as a result of the decision, but said it would lodge appeals on behalf of certain cabin crew, particularly those with Japanese and Korean language skills.

Since late last year, the aviation industry has encountered resistance from the Immigration Department, which has only been willing to offer short-term visa renewals for foreign staff of up to three months.

Authorities have attributed the hardline stance to rising unemployment among skilled aviation workers in the city, with the shutdown of regional airline Cathay Dragon last year seen by many as a significant factor.

The Post understands freighter pilots – who have played a key operational role at the airline amid the Covid-19 crisis – would get three-year visa extensions, while passenger crew would only get six to 12-month extensions.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Rie View Post
It is very good news that the future is a little more promising for a least six months for those on visas. You just have to wonder what was offered in return.
very good indeed!
Now we can submit an injunction and jurisdiction review against ImmD’s decision.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:10
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Do your best
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:11
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Ha don't make me laugh this is Hong Kong. Injunction & jurisdiction review that's the best thing I have read on this thread
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:12
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main_dog

We night ask what does Main Dog mean by "total outlay". Not total operating costs we might think . Outlay?
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:27
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Just had word from a Captain at UO that the same goes for them. 6 months for the suffering normal pilots and 3 years for Training Captain Gods.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:43
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The recent recruitment must be a deal with immigration department. It surprised me that CX is willing to save the expat with expense of taking up locals pilots.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:47
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Easy solution,

Thanks for coming to the interview unfortunately you were unsuccessful in our recruitment process, sadly we are unable to offer feedback we wish you the greatest success in your future aviation career.
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