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Work Visa renewals

Old 31st May 2021, 01:00
  #281 (permalink)  
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Let's change the vocabulary from "proper" to "Western"? It'll get your point across less controversially.
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Old 31st May 2021, 04:16
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Just wanted to inform the polite above that the reason people try and often succeed with immigrating to the above mentioned countries, is because their immigration policies are very, very lax compared to the rest of the world.

There is no such thing as immigration as you intend it in most countries in the middle or far east, or oceania and others. You would simply not be able to even approach the borders.
I can promise you many people would NOT choose Europe or America if other places were available.
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Old 31st May 2021, 04:40
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nigeria is open to all , we welcome the benjamins
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Old 31st May 2021, 04:52
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Not necessarily western countries, places like Thailand, Indonesia (Bali in Particular) and Japan are also to a lesser degree a preferred settlement country
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Old 31st May 2021, 07:20
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Your post, IMHO, takes the price as the lamest and most arrogant post on PPRuNe for a while, and I praise that Cathay still has sensible employees like BabyYoda to add some well-informed and mature comments to bring you off your high horse and down to earth.

In my almost 2 decades in KA, I did not come across anyone who had wanted CX, but "had to go with" KA instead...in particular experienced expat pilots made a conscious choice of steering well clear of CX after the 49'ers.
Look at the cadet course that had to go to CX temporarily. Not a single pilot wanted to stay with CX - to the major disbelief of all the CX managers - but went to KA at first opportunity.
We never wanted to be "on the Hub", to have Cathay smeared all over the fuselage, to "go beyond" and be "part of the team" - while we were clearly NOT really part of the team (not even in the crew room as it turns out, interpreting your attitude!).

Cathay was, is and always will be toxic!

KA was a brilliant company with brilliant pilots until CX got its hands on it.
The rest is history.

If KA had been terrible business, no future in our airframes and routes, yes, fair enough, it was time to cut everyone loose and get rid of the company for not really being on the ball.
However, that ain't really the case is it now?

We now have our 50-odd aircraft (oh, yes, plus the freighters that were conveniently handed over to CX ages ago as "there was no money in cargo") and routes, being handed over on a silver platter to CX for junior non-PR 777 drivers to fly.

It is a relief, in this case, to know that according to you, ToCatLady, from what I gather, CX pilots are clearly much better at doing our job, since all the KA pilots are the ones who couldn't pass the SO interview.

Have a safe flight to Kunming in the 321NEO at FL276.

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Old 31st May 2021, 14:57
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Stone temple expressed it very well above. The arrogance shown to the CX freighter guys at the turn of the century by the "proper" CX crew meant a job with CX was never considered. KA was a dose of professional friendly sanity until Cathay came along.
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Old 31st May 2021, 15:21
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What was always interesting is the amount of Barbie jet pilots who wouldnít have given the freighter guys (some it would have to be said marooned on the jumbo through no fault of their own) the steam off their proverbial; looked down their noses at them at despatch and downroute and were quite happy to pee all over the seniority system when it suited them in order to get on the prized fleet. These same individuals are now tripping over themselves to get on the freighter.
The same lack of courtesy/ disdain was quite often evinced with our KA brethren in despatch, with some, not all thankfully, just choosing to ignore them or fail to even acknowledge them. Shameful.

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Old 1st Jun 2021, 04:00
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Anyway, how goes the work permit situation?
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 04:13
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Not well, one would have thought. Then again itís just the immigration department doing what they always had the remit to do. And HKG has never had a glut of pilots, PR, local, or otherwise, to deal with.

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Old 1st Jun 2021, 10:00
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Originally Posted by volare_737 View Post
What news are you talking about ?
Volís, did you check the news? Seems like you might be heading back home. They will be replacing you with PR A320 Captains at HKE. Sorry bud, the writing was on the wall.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 10:24
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Thumbs up

better get your jabs sharpish
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 10:29
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WOW. They have at least twice as many pilots they could possibly use. Most are sitting at home getting paid with no work. The rest are on part time rosters and part time pay & benefits for 5 months now. And they just announced today they're going to start pilot recruitment again? What are they smoking?

Always expect the bizarre with this incompetent bunch and you won't be disappointed. I wonder how many they expect to be lost to no visa plus daily resignations to be sitting their pants like this. Anybody have an idea how many are already out of work circulation due to no visa? Or do they expect to hire the few hundred out of work locals and PRs to pay them also without working so they can go back to immigration to restate their case for visa renewals. Talk about a cash bleed...
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 13:38
  #293 (permalink)  
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New post on aviation jobs website ( aviation jobs . me ) : observe the requirements. Danny Lee on his twitter also confirmed AUS being closed.

I guess CX knows immigration will announce the cancellation of visas for non PRs soon? On the other hand... spending more money on training instead of pushing to keep the already qualified crews? Unbelievable.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 00:29
  #294 (permalink)  
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I'm trying to make sense of all of this, but the fact that CX is hiring Ex-ka etc local crew of the street must mean that the visa issue is about to be sorted, otherwise, what would be in it for CX?
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 01:18
  #295 (permalink)  
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My guess...CX destroying the lives of most based crew, have shed a bunch of HKG crew off the 777 who took the recent payout (who were also still receiving proper housing) and CX expect to loose a bunch more as their housing allowances move to POS18. Visa renewals are a big problem. By taking on ex KA pilots they get highly experienced operators for bottom dollar, with a start date (and therefore having to pay anything) at the company's sole discretion, ready for the boom which will happen within about 6 months as populations reach herd immunity.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 09:47
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While there are few passenger flights it might be a good idea to transfer resources to training , especially on the very excellent Cathay Pacific simulators, which can be zero aircraft flight time ,to first flight with passengers, no problem. The flight simulators should be booming and instructors should be booming so we can get local pilots up to scratch.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 10:11
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Zero aircraft time to first flight would never happen. The HK CAD is so stuck in the past that they still think base training is vital to any type rating. I cannot see them ever allowing a proper MPL program for cadets.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 11:19
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off the street


Off the street sounds bad, but they were put on the street by ill informed Cathay/ Dragon Managers.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 11:53
  #299 (permalink)  
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Avoiding a big, embarrassing, expensive court case? Or even worse, getting booted out of HK and closing shop, for not playing by the ImmD rules.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 11:17
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Yes. We know that almost from the beginning of aviation in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong CAD, lacking in its own expertise, relied almost completely , on the advice of the perceived expert, Cathay Pacific Airways. Of course Cathay Pacific would give advice that was tainted by their own interests. Perhaps that situation still continues until now. Means to say that it is, in fact, Cathay Pacific that is, perhaps deliberately, stuck in the past.
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