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Old 25th Apr 2021, 17:13
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That's my mistake, didn't look into the detail of the BNO things.
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Old 25th Apr 2021, 19:54
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Haven't forgotten anything thanks. Having spent many years in HK with PR I am saddened by the attacks on those working for CX who are being discarded and then further attacked by these spiteful individuals. Good luck to all CX employees apart from the management.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 05:02
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So take the redundancy money or risk staying?
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 05:04
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End of an era?
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 05:29
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Surely this will follow with people being fired in June. Especially those on 777 . Can't imagine a large amount would take it when the reward isn't too sweet.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 06:03
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Only those who don’t take the “voluntary” redundancy package.

The CXi soap opera’s grand finale, season 1, is coming to an end. Sadly there won’t be a season 2.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 08:10
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Well, when CX made the FRA ground staff redundant and offered them 3 months it was quickly decided in German court that they required payout averaged between 1,5 to 2 years of salary based on German labor law.
It is confirmed by a law firm that the same applies to the +\-50 FRA based pilots.
In LON we are on the same contract but under a different labor law requiring minimum 6 months payout, BUT there also still is a strong seniority based clause in our contracts.
In other words, yes the EUR base can be closed but requires around 10 months to go through the proceedings like when MAN was closed, and redundancy pay in accordance with local labour law has to be offered if one chooses not to go to HK.
So, 10 months of bitching about with the company on full pay followed by another 6 months while EUR is opening up again, please bring it on asap !

CX has been made aware of this, hence the EUR review ‘later in the year’

My guess is that OZ is going to come up with something similar which is why the letters they received mention that the closure is just a proposal and that no decision has been made.

Summary of this story:
CX: “ so sorry HK government, we tried to close all bases and save local jobs instead but it looks like we’ll be taken to court around the world with massive fines and redundancy payout as a result so we have no choice but to cut jobs in HK on COS18 only. “
HK Government: “Whoaoa, OK laa”
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 10:59
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Originally Posted by BalloonBuster View Post
My guess is that OZ is going to come up with something similar which is why the letters they received mention that the closure is just a proposal and that no decision has been made
Sadly you’re drawing a long bow with that theory. The decision has no doubt been made, but there is a legal and contractual a requirement to “consult” prior to making any decisions wrt redundancy or base closures. Hence, the chat about no decisions having been made.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 12:19
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Sadly for BA and another half a dozen airlines in the UK their pilot contracts in the current pandemic have proved to be worthless. But good luck anyway.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 12:33
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I don't think it is anything to do with contracts on the bases it seems more of an issue around local legislation ie workers rights and laws. You can bet your bottom dollar as well that no western nation will be in the mood to let a Hong Kong company off easy especially given the current political climate between them and in addition to the fact that they have been giving financial support to all these Cathay employees for a year or so only to see them eliminated or the jobs and future tax revenues relocated to HKG. That won't go down well and will require answers or possible consequences.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 12:56
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Pickuptruck is quite right ref BA. Exceptional circumstances and all that. Contracts aren’t as solid as we all like to think.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 14:27
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As others have said before, it is not about contracts.
it is about local labour law, which CX has found out the hard way firing FRA ground staff
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 17:05
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Hope it works out for all those involved . Stranger things can happen . We are well and truly in unprecedented times.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 17:38
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That was done when things were normal. You don’t think CX losing 1.9 billion a month will have any sway with said labour laws. As the post above says, these are unprecedented times and will most likely result in unprecedented rulings.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 00:29
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Amazes me that it doesn’t matter how many Airline employees in the UK get utterly shafted with contracts that suddenly, in this pandemic, turn out to be worthless, CX pilots still think that they’re gods gift to aviation. Even the UK government in some instances backed the airlines to take the approach that they have and I’ve yet to see a contract that’s worth anything.

5 mins on google doing a search might pull some heads out of the sand.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 00:45
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it’s not that no one has mentioned anywhere else regarding employment situations, this is, incidentally, The “Fragrant Harbour” forum. So perhaps the guys here are focusing on what impact them most, Hong Kong.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 00:59
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Don. The bases impact directly on HK. Cathay is losing maybe a thousand or more pilot jobs. For every job kept on a base then one will have to be lost in HK. That is why the Gov is interested in bases and visa status in HK.
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Old 4th May 2021, 06:39
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word around the street is that visas are now being rejected instead of pending for 777 and airbus guys, any truth to that?
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Old 4th May 2021, 06:44
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true, few people I know have been rejected
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Old 4th May 2021, 07:49
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Is that for all companies?
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