Air Crew Quarantine
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Well it is literally everywhere if you live in HK. What is vague about it? It says exactly what is happening, the CAP has been extended until Sept 30. For all intents and purposes this is quarantine of 21 days until then unless they change the rules.
Well it is literally everywhere if you live in HK. What is vague about it? It says exactly what is happening, the CAP has been extended until Sept 30. For all intents and purposes this is quarantine of 21 days until then unless they change the rules.
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Not a Cathay or even a Hong Kong resident. But a curious outsider.
so as I’ve understood it. option A) 3 weeks flying. When you’re away not allowed to leave your hotel room. Then 2 weeks of not being allowed to leave your hotel in HKG for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks off.
option B) only fly to Anchorage and again don’t leave your hotel room but no quarantine in HKG.
out of curiosity why would anyone do option A? What incentive is there?
you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to I’m just genuinely curious. Is it a decent wedge of money they’re throwing option A’s way?
so as I’ve understood it. option A) 3 weeks flying. When you’re away not allowed to leave your hotel room. Then 2 weeks of not being allowed to leave your hotel in HKG for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks off.
option B) only fly to Anchorage and again don’t leave your hotel room but no quarantine in HKG.
out of curiosity why would anyone do option A? What incentive is there?
you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to I’m just genuinely curious. Is it a decent wedge of money they’re throwing option A’s way?
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It is a lot of money on POS18. The base pay isn't enough to live on and without the duty pay every dollar counts. If it wasn't for POS18 the extra money isn't worth getting out of bed for.
More generally POS18 will have pilots flying when unfit (illness / fatigue). This combined with the plummeting experience levels will lead to a hull loss.
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Always an interesting concept stating that experience levels will lead to a hull loss. Seems, over recent years, that the biggest incidents have been caused by experienced pilots who can't do simple things like a circling approach. The real plummeting experience levels seems to be amidst the training department from which we get a regular read of how not to aviate in the weekly updates. The inexperienced that you allude to, in my experience, have been quite good!
All accepted. However, the crux of the matter with COS18 ( and it’s major flaw) is that financial imperatives will force people to fly when unwell, fatigued, or just plain stressed out. And there’s your gaping hole in the ground.
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After a FEDEX complaint to the US DOT by FX Hong Kong based crew about the draconian HK quarantine requirement, the DOT is looking imminently to retaliate by suspending all HK based carriers (CX) from flying to the US. Another slit to the wrist for HK. What sort of work permits are FX HK based crew on? Surely there are local pilots that could fill these positions 
downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-OST-2016-0039-0008/attachment_1.pdf
downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-OST-2016-0039-0008/attachment_1.pdf
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It’s no coincidence that this comes on the eve of talks in (you guessed it - Anchorage) between the US and China, just to lay it on thick and sticky. I just love politics!
US warns of HK flight curbs over quarantine rules
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...2-20210317.htm
US sanctions 24 Hong Kong and Chinese officials ahead of Blinken meeting with Beijing
US warns of HK flight curbs over quarantine rules
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...2-20210317.htm
US sanctions 24 Hong Kong and Chinese officials ahead of Blinken meeting with Beijing
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cx is not the first company to run a productivity based pay contract and it sure hasn’t been the cause of accidents in other carriers. Pilots for other airlines in HK have managed to live on equivalent terms and conditions without it resulting in a hull loss. It also doesn’t remove the requirement to comply with regulatory FTLs or the onus on a professional pilot not to fly when fatigued or unwell. You know you could always leave CX if it was so financially unviable, but other airlines still pay a lot less. Oh but living costs are lower in other countries you might say. Maybe that is partly true but when you factor in the tax difference and lower salaries your take home pay will leave you significantly worse off. So no one will leave in reality since CX is still a good gig and has proven to be more a lot more secure than other airlines who have been dropping crew since the pandemic onset.
cx is not the first company to run a productivity based pay contract and it sure hasn’t been the cause of accidents in other carriers. Pilots for other airlines in HK have managed to live on equivalent terms and conditions without it resulting in a hull loss. It also doesn’t remove the requirement to comply with regulatory FTLs or the onus on a professional pilot not to fly when fatigued or unwell. You know you could always leave CX if it was so financially unviable, but other airlines still pay a lot less. Oh but living costs are lower in other countries you might say. Maybe that is partly true but when you factor in the tax difference and lower salaries your take home pay will leave you significantly worse off. So no one will leave in reality since CX is still a good gig and has proven to be more a lot more secure than other airlines who have been dropping crew since the pandemic onset.
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If you are talking about job security.. if it was going to happen it would of happened already. Everyone was saying it will happen after the introduction of COS18 when seniority protections were removed, well COS18 has been in place for a while now and it hasn’t. The longer it is left the closer to the end of the pandemic we get, airlines are already starting to recall pilots.
If you are talking about people leaving for non existent greener pastures. Well there aren’t any and there will be big queues of laid off pilots who will have to get their jobs back before any openings will exist. Maybe in 5-10 years time, but who will want to rejoin the bottom of a new seniority list with all the insecurities and low salary that would bring.
If you are talking about people leaving for non existent greener pastures. Well there aren’t any and there will be big queues of laid off pilots who will have to get their jobs back before any openings will exist. Maybe in 5-10 years time, but who will want to rejoin the bottom of a new seniority list with all the insecurities and low salary that would bring.
MANY people have left (including the Airbus DCP), with no job to return to in their home countries. Clearly the prospect of lower wages & higher taxation in their home countries isn't a deterrent! Better to be poor at home, than in HK .... particularly with the changing political landscape.
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What Veruka Salt said. More to leave, too. That’s not to say they won’t easily be replaced, at least in the short/medium term. However, for being based in one of the world’s most expensive cities the “good gig” is well and truly gone, especially when the transition period ends.
In the order of a Captain a day right now. So, indeed, watch this space. I don’t think the prospect of having your kids banged up, whilst restrained to a bed and wearing diapers for days on end, is helping very much.
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There are so many on SLV right now, collecting a small company pay check, with no intentions of ever coming back to HK. Lots have fully moved their family and belongings back home, even settling their kids in new schools. Some even have new jobs. My own family has become quite comfortable being back home while I sit here in the ‘loop’ staring out endlessly from the headland. The company is in for a surprise, but then I doubt they really care.