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Indeed. True altruism is extremely rare. Maybe some forms exist within a group of very close kin or among exceptional individuals, but even there it is fiercly debated. To expect altruism within an international group of thousands of random colleagues who mostly never met face-to-face is ambitious, to put it mildly. To accuse someone in a work environment like ours of selfishness is simpy absurd.
Also note the "sacrifice" in the above case was minimal and not even assured, the rejection could have been just a gamble for more. Also he knew very well his vote was just one of thousands and hence rather insignificant. I think it would be very difficult to actually objectively acknowledge any sacrifice in this particular case. But boy did it feel good to say no!
I am not trying to create chaos, but rather argue to finally stop the constant accusation of selfishness in other groups, may it be a different fleet, rank, base, or (worst of all) ethnic group. It is precisely that righteous and distracting "bickering between ourselves" I would like to end (that and because I am bored to death)
Also note the "sacrifice" in the above case was minimal and not even assured, the rejection could have been just a gamble for more. Also he knew very well his vote was just one of thousands and hence rather insignificant. I think it would be very difficult to actually objectively acknowledge any sacrifice in this particular case. But boy did it feel good to say no!
I am not trying to create chaos, but rather argue to finally stop the constant accusation of selfishness in other groups, may it be a different fleet, rank, base, or (worst of all) ethnic group. It is precisely that righteous and distracting "bickering between ourselves" I would like to end (that and because I am bored to death)
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STW, with your logic even Mother Theresa is a selfish person, because all her sacrifice and good deeds were done because she would have felt worse had she not performed those deeds or sacrificed her life.
What a selfish
she was.
I don’t disagree with that premise (and we find the likes of Christopher Hitchens on our side), but then what’s the point of arguing about selfishness?
I like to look a little further and call out the G day workers, training ban breakers, selfish managers.
Used to have a front row seat to all the excuses about why people were special and they simply HAD TO pick up their phone, because their dog ate their homework.
Now, STW, back to the original premise that I have accused the GENERAL pilot population of being selfish. Granted: my opinion might have been a little skewed since I dealt with many of the violators of cc/tb, but you’re right: I made a generalisation of the pilot population.
You have proven time and again that you are only out for yourself and voted for or against TA’s accordingly, as is your right.
”Fortunately” the likes of you have found yourself in the minority and like a certain ex-president, have left no opportunity unused to point out the stupidity of the majority and that it should have really been YOUR side that should have been in majority.
You have provided much proof of your selfishness and have even admitted that you are not really interested in the long term effects of your votes, behaviour and opinions, as long as your portfolio of real estate is not negatively affected.
If you want to read that proof again, you can go back into pprune history and look at our many collisions.
The question remains however, why you thought it necessary to single me out and SPECIFICALLY name me as a selfish person.
You must have proof to make such a statement and I, for one, would love to hear it, so I can better my ways and make people like you proud of yourselves for making the world a better place.
What a selfish
she was.I don’t disagree with that premise (and we find the likes of Christopher Hitchens on our side), but then what’s the point of arguing about selfishness?
I like to look a little further and call out the G day workers, training ban breakers, selfish managers.
Used to have a front row seat to all the
excuses about why people were special and they simply HAD TO pick up their phone, because their dog ate their homework.Now, STW, back to the original premise that I have accused the GENERAL pilot population of being selfish. Granted: my opinion might have been a little skewed since I dealt with many of the violators of cc/tb, but you’re right: I made a generalisation of the pilot population.
You have proven time and again that you are only out for yourself and voted for or against TA’s accordingly, as is your right.
”Fortunately” the likes of you have found yourself in the minority and like a certain ex-president, have left no opportunity unused to point out the stupidity of the majority and that it should have really been YOUR side that should have been in majority.
You have provided much proof of your selfishness and have even admitted that you are not really interested in the long term effects of your votes, behaviour and opinions, as long as your portfolio of real estate is not negatively affected.
If you want to read that proof again, you can go back into pprune history and look at our many collisions.
The question remains however, why you thought it necessary to single me out and SPECIFICALLY name me as a selfish person.
You must have proof to make such a statement and I, for one, would love to hear it, so I can better my ways and make people like you proud of yourselves for making the world a better place.
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Uhh what? Voting cost me a bunch of cash. I was hoping that rejection would lead to a better offer, a better long term deal for my colleagues who were not going to be leaving the company. It wasn't a secret hope... I did not act in my interest. Are you actually insane? It honestly sounds like by your personal definition, that is isn't possible to do something that isn't in one's own self interest. That is a sad way to go through life. In my time as an RQ I also almost always gave the CN extra rest, I suppose that was selfish too?
Uhh what? Voting cost me a bunch of cash. I was hoping that rejection would lead to a better offer, a better long term deal for my colleagues who were not going to be leaving the company. It wasn't a secret hope... I did not act in my interest. Are you actually insane? It honestly sounds like by your personal definition, that is isn't possible to do something that isn't in one's own self interest. That is a sad way to go through life. In my time as an RQ I also almost always gave the CN extra rest, I suppose that was selfish too?
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Correct.
I know not who you are.
More importantly, I care even less who you are.
However, despite this being a rumour network, when you write about something and get the facts wrong, but are writing as if you know what you are talking about, it is either ignorance, fishing, assumption,-stirring, deliberate misinformation or just more likely, you were not around at the time and simply do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Doing as such, simply adds another false vote to an incorrect statement, that some other numpty at some point further down the tracks will repeat and pass on as fact.
So I’ll go with latter, you simply do not have a clue.
I know not who you are.
More importantly, I care even less who you are.
However, despite this being a rumour network, when you write about something and get the facts wrong, but are writing as if you know what you are talking about, it is either ignorance, fishing, assumption,
-stirring, deliberate misinformation or just more likely, you were not around at the time and simply do not have a clue what you are talking about.Doing as such, simply adds another false vote to an incorrect statement, that some other numpty at some point further down the tracks will repeat and pass on as fact.
So I’ll go with latter, you simply do not have a clue.
