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Round 2 layoffs in February or March

Old 21st Feb 2021, 02:34
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 05:28
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If the company closes bases, it's supposed to offer those affected the choice of relocating to HK or a redundancy payment. I doubt that either is preferred right at the moment, given the company's need to preserve cash. Of course that might all change over the longer term.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 05:50
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Who in their right mind would come back to HKG on POS18 conditions from a base that's being closed? There will be very few who take up the offer.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 06:08
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All of them will take it
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 07:46
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I seriously feel if the Airbus/777 pilots are asked to take 6-12 months leave (be it paid or not) they need to consider this!
The company has paid you a salary to sit at home, wives to drink wine in the plaza, kids to go to international schools etc for over a year.

You should consider this or you will end up being let go. Don't think you are owed anything. The industry is in a mess. People are packing shelves that once commanded a 777/380/737 etc.

Personally I think if you don't take what is being offered you can start packing up because they will not pay you to camp out in DB anymore - and I don't blame them.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 08:43
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If the whole of HKG would be vaccinated, it would be silly not to open it up to international travel, as the whole of Hong Kong would be immune to the disease. No threat.
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 10:08
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They won't be closing bases whilst the respective governments are paying the based crews heavily reduced wages or a large proportion of it, when all the welfare support runs out then it's possible and only then for those who don't need work visa sponsorship, that chestnut might have been swept under the rug but it's still very much there!
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 10:15
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Fingers crossed. Let's all hope basings are here to stay, maybe the new quarantine for HK based crew are a life line in that regard..
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 11:35
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Closing an on shore base takes around 1 year to go through all the legal procedings as they learned from closing MAN.
It also includes either returning to HK or a fairly generous redundancy package.

Common seniority list is still part of based contracts too...

Messing around with 800 based contracts will turn out to be bloody expensive. CX management is not that stupid.
They’ll keep on asking for voluntary salary refuction schemes, so the paid holiday continues
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Old 21st Feb 2021, 22:02
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Obviously your on the freighter from the tone of your post, let me ask you this! Would you be taking such a tone if you weren't? I can almost guarantee if you weren't on the freighter and in fact on the 777/Airbus you wouldn't consider taking unpaid leave.

At the end of the day why on earth should a senior pilot sit at home and not get paid when pilots junior to them are still employed. The airline industry always has been Seniority driven and we all knew that coming in and more importantly when we joined, its the reason so many of us have stayed for so long.

LIFO or not in the new contract, I expect junior pilots to pay any price before senior pilots it's just the way it's done. Regardless of colour, creed, age, sex, nationality and or religion. How about we start by dumping all the second officers, then maybe we can all get some more hours to pay our rents on this new POS 18
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 01:54
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I entirely agree with you. Problem is we don't work for a first world airline which respects the employees. POS18, which we agreed to, takes all rights away. Everything is at company discretion. Hiring, firing, fleets, leave, benefits, rostering is all as the company wishes. They can fire whomever they like whenever they like.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 02:05
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Only at Cathay employees complain there haven't been enough layoffs 😂
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 04:27
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Soon we won’t be needing any FOs either, just go solo!

http://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/s...t-cargo-plane/
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 07:00
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You chose to sign pos18.You chose to stay at an airline with zero seniority protection.
It happened just a few months ago.. have people already forgotten that no one forced you to sign a contract with zero protection?
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 07:19
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Amen. You have no protections now, not even your sense of entitlement.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 07:39
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There was no choice unless you were financially secure enough to quit. Sign or be fired during a global pandemic wasn't a choice. No doubt all of us are looking at other options but for the moment those options are limited to non-existent. That will not be the case forever.

It amazes me how some pilots on the freighter fleet seem to think the rest of us should be terminated because our fleet is currently idle. Classic "I'm alright Jack". The Cx pilot group is the most toxic, selfish group of people I have ever had the misfortune of working with. Is it the company? Is it Hong Kong? What turns you all into a bunch of such miserable ?
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 07:42
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yes we were forced, remember?

either this or bye bye..

what else were you going to do?

the only thing we could do to counter was to all walk away, but for that you need union and a union.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 07:43
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You may want to start to accept the new reality. You signed your seniority away last November. This company care nothing about you and your family. You are an expense to the company, and they will always look for the cheaper option. This also means that if you have children, you are likely more expensive, and easier to punt when they need more staff cuts. Don't think for a second that the company will choose you or your family's well being over a dollar.

Going on about "just the way it's done" or an "industry always has been Seniority driven" makes you look a little deluded, and chasing a ship that sailed long ago.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 09:21
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Maybe it'll turn into a Qatar situation. Send home the good guys before realising that you actually needed the experience and beg for them to come back.
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Old 22nd Feb 2021, 09:29
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You are an expense to the company, and they will always look for the cheaper option.
Brutal assessment but correct
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