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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55555299
Another major step towards the end of Hong Kong. The sooner Beijing is smacked down the better. Hong Kong was one of the great Asian cities, but now every day it gets closer to being just another Chinese
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Another major step towards the end of Hong Kong. The sooner Beijing is smacked down the better. Hong Kong was one of the great Asian cities, but now every day it gets closer to being just another Chinese
. Anyone who joins CX in the future thinking they will get a career isn't a fit and proper person. Anyone young enough to get out when other jobs come available would be mad not to leave.
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Smack down Beijing ? You must be joking . Political power comes from not only the barrel of a gun but also from nuclear weapons and 3 million cyber workers. Better get used to it.
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I wouldn’t trust the BBCs objectivity anymore. Their reporting has become less and less neutral over the years.
They start off reporting the facts as they seen them and then tack on the USAs message at the end of the piece.
They start off reporting the facts as they seen them and then tack on the USAs message at the end of the piece.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/w...gtype=Homepage
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...kers-activists
Ok, discount the BBC (your comments are close to the arse clown Trump's 'fake news' lies). But open your own eyes. The CCP is nothing but evil.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...kers-activists
Ok, discount the BBC (your comments are close to the arse clown Trump's 'fake news' lies). But open your own eyes. The CCP is nothing but evil.
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Ask yourself how many countries or cities in Asia are "free" in the Western sense. Japan, Taiwan, maybe Korea, that's it. Then look at all the pre-Covid) fast growing and emerging countries like U.A.E., Singapore, Qatar, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Vietnam etc. None of them has Western human rights standards.
The job market for pilots and the future of Cathay do not depend necessarily on the political freedom of Hong Kong, but on the economy and more specifically on the aviation sector. As sad as the demise of freedom rights in HK is, the city is far from "dying" but changing.
The ascent of China and Asia has just begun, and with a loyal government in charge HK will have the continous support of Beijing. I believe Hong Kong will be one of the richest and most prosperous cities of the 21th century, globally, not only in China. Whether expats will be or want to be a part of it is a different story.
The job market for pilots and the future of Cathay do not depend necessarily on the political freedom of Hong Kong, but on the economy and more specifically on the aviation sector. As sad as the demise of freedom rights in HK is, the city is far from "dying" but changing.
The ascent of China and Asia has just begun, and with a loyal government in charge HK will have the continous support of Beijing. I believe Hong Kong will be one of the richest and most prosperous cities of the 21th century, globally, not only in China. Whether expats will be or want to be a part of it is a different story.
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It pains me to say it but the BBC doesn’t have to stray far from their front door to observe a failing society.
Winston Churchill once commented that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. You’d have to wonder what Winston would think of today’s democracies with their populist politicians who are swayed by whichever way the 24/7 news media and social media winds are blowing on any given day. Where democratically elected governments tear themselves down over any number of social issues from climate change to historical unions to gay rights to religious freedoms to trade agreements.
Then there’s the complete death of fiscal responsibility where money printing is the only answer to keep the house of cards from completely collapsing. This is countered by an opposition that promises the electorate that they’ll print even more. Short term this satisfies generation now, but long term it’s only increasing the wealth divide as asset prices increase and relatively speaking wages fall when valued against a worthless currency
There’s little doubt Hong Kong is on a slippery slope, but who isn’t?
Winston Churchill once commented that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. You’d have to wonder what Winston would think of today’s democracies with their populist politicians who are swayed by whichever way the 24/7 news media and social media winds are blowing on any given day. Where democratically elected governments tear themselves down over any number of social issues from climate change to historical unions to gay rights to religious freedoms to trade agreements.
Then there’s the complete death of fiscal responsibility where money printing is the only answer to keep the house of cards from completely collapsing. This is countered by an opposition that promises the electorate that they’ll print even more. Short term this satisfies generation now, but long term it’s only increasing the wealth divide as asset prices increase and relatively speaking wages fall when valued against a worthless currency
There’s little doubt Hong Kong is on a slippery slope, but who isn’t?
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TBH, I'm totally amazed HK has stayed the way it has for as long as it has! Anyone who could believe in the "deal" struck with China at the handover really wasn't looking at China with any realism. It's a bit like striking a "deal" with Russia - or Iran - or..........! Even so-called "allies" can prove fickle - it's called politics and nationalism!
Any major power change anywhere where you radically change the style of Government will lead to changes, particularly grafting a city of 7.4M having enjoyed one political system onto a country of 1443.9M with a totally different system - irrespective of any accords, agreements, deals etc. History is littered with changes that "surprised" the West when things turned out differently when, in fact, the writing was on the wall from before the changes took place. HK is no different. But the West is always surprised!
HK won't die - but it sure will change. I share Sam Ting Wongs' views - based on having 2 step-sons who worked in Beijing for a number of years, married local girls (their Mum did go a bit "ape" when that happened - until she got over herself and actually met the girls!) and one is now back in London but very much still linked to China with work and may head back that way. Will HK be like it was just after the transition? No - and no surprise at all. It will be Chinese and will take its place along with all other Cities in China and China itself will jostle for position in the World Order along with all the rest of us. I'll not see how that pans out over the next 50 years ..... not unless I come back from the other side to haunt the kids that is!
As STW says, "Whether expats will be or want to be a part of [the new HK] is a different story.". My kids got on really well - but they knew to play by the local rules and accepted that they will forever be "outsiders" - but have been equally stunned by the genuine hospitality and friendship they have met in China over the years.
TBH, I'm totally amazed HK has stayed the way it has for as long as it has! Anyone who could believe in the "deal" struck with China at the handover really wasn't looking at China with any realism. It's a bit like striking a "deal" with Russia - or Iran - or..........! Even so-called "allies" can prove fickle - it's called politics and nationalism!
Any major power change anywhere where you radically change the style of Government will lead to changes, particularly grafting a city of 7.4M having enjoyed one political system onto a country of 1443.9M with a totally different system - irrespective of any accords, agreements, deals etc. History is littered with changes that "surprised" the West when things turned out differently when, in fact, the writing was on the wall from before the changes took place. HK is no different. But the West is always surprised!
HK won't die - but it sure will change. I share Sam Ting Wongs' views - based on having 2 step-sons who worked in Beijing for a number of years, married local girls (their Mum did go a bit "ape" when that happened - until she got over herself and actually met the girls!) and one is now back in London but very much still linked to China with work and may head back that way. Will HK be like it was just after the transition? No - and no surprise at all. It will be Chinese and will take its place along with all other Cities in China and China itself will jostle for position in the World Order along with all the rest of us. I'll not see how that pans out over the next 50 years ..... not unless I come back from the other side to haunt the kids that is!
As STW says, "Whether expats will be or want to be a part of [the new HK] is a different story.". My kids got on really well - but they knew to play by the local rules and accepted that they will forever be "outsiders" - but have been equally stunned by the genuine hospitality and friendship they have met in China over the years.
I'm surprised people thought /think that HK was going to go along as a separate entity. The whole point of taking it over was to (eventually ) reintegrate it into China - it's now 23 years since the British left and in many ways the PRC resembles HK rather than the other way round.
When you're an ex-pat you know you're living on borrowed time - eventually the locals will take over - you can either leave of join them............
When you're an ex-pat you know you're living on borrowed time - eventually the locals will take over - you can either leave of join them............
Well there goes the Apple business..................
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Freedom of speech and the freedom to speak, hold free and fair elections, the right of appeal in the legal system. The freedom to do what you want in life - it is being taken away from the Hong Kong people - as Hong Kong is becoming "just another Chinese city". Anyone who choses money over freedom - can go to Hong Kong as an expat - it's much harder for the the local population, in particular those of the younger generation, to just leave their home. It's now irrevocable that the change is no longer just a change as is - but a clear pathway to become just another polluted Chines city. It is really sad.
Freedom of speech and the freedom to speak, hold free and fair elections, the right of appeal in the legal system. The freedom to do what you want in life - it is being taken away from the Hong Kong people - as Hong Kong is becoming "just another Chinese city". Anyone who choses money over freedom - can go to Hong Kong as an expat - it's much harder for the the local population, in particular those of the younger generation, to just leave their home. It's now irrevocable that the change is no longer just a change as is - but a clear pathway to become just another polluted Chines city. It is really sad.
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Very sad, Hong Kong was one of my favourite cities,used to stay at the PARK HOTEL in Kowloon.loved taking the ferry accross and visiting the fish restaurant.
However, having been pretty all over mainland .
WHAT DO ONE EXPECT in relation to beautifull HKG
THANKS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO MODS AND ALL COLLEGUES.
However, having been pretty all over mainland .
WHAT DO ONE EXPECT in relation to beautifull HKG
THANKS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO MODS AND ALL COLLEGUES.
Klimax, trust me - I absolutely 100% agree with you. It really is sad! My only point is that it was inevitable. For even the local HK people, they also ended up "living a dream" under the shadow of the Union Jack - and, when the handover came, the UK thought - yet again - it would be "different" and sold it as such to expats - and to the locals. A total and utter lack of British political honesty - again!
My family left Rhodesia in 1970. We knew how it would end - the 3 local lads working for us knew how it would end - and they implored us to stay. To this day, I wonder how they got on - I'm ashamed as I don't know - but we let those 3 (and, of course, the 3 families they supported) down but saved our skins - and lost everything we had when we got on that plane with nothing but our British Passports and a suitcase each - and survived thanks to extended family who supported us initially once in the UK. Once Rhodesia was handed over, your likelihood of living - or dying - depended on your Tribe - period. Ask those who died as they plunged down mine shafts thanks to Mugabe and his "tribe". Not White Brits here - but Zimbabweans whose families had lived there for 1,000s of years - murdered by their own!
Despite what may befall HK and the locals, I suspect they'll fare far better than those in the "new" Zimbabwe - of who's regime, even the Chinese have been very wary of during their "colonization" of Africa over the past few decades! That's quite telling! I mean no offence - and wish those caught up in this all the best - but fighting it can be a dangerous game if you have no chance of winning - better to employ your skills and energy to make the best of the hand of cards that fate (& the UK government) has dealt you. As my kids proved, it is more than possible to survive in China. You just need to re-write the rules you live by. Better that than the bottom of a mine shaft in Africa.......
My family left Rhodesia in 1970. We knew how it would end - the 3 local lads working for us knew how it would end - and they implored us to stay. To this day, I wonder how they got on - I'm ashamed as I don't know - but we let those 3 (and, of course, the 3 families they supported) down but saved our skins - and lost everything we had when we got on that plane with nothing but our British Passports and a suitcase each - and survived thanks to extended family who supported us initially once in the UK. Once Rhodesia was handed over, your likelihood of living - or dying - depended on your Tribe - period. Ask those who died as they plunged down mine shafts thanks to Mugabe and his "tribe". Not White Brits here - but Zimbabweans whose families had lived there for 1,000s of years - murdered by their own!
Despite what may befall HK and the locals, I suspect they'll fare far better than those in the "new" Zimbabwe - of who's regime, even the Chinese have been very wary of during their "colonization" of Africa over the past few decades! That's quite telling! I mean no offence - and wish those caught up in this all the best - but fighting it can be a dangerous game if you have no chance of winning - better to employ your skills and energy to make the best of the hand of cards that fate (& the UK government) has dealt you. As my kids proved, it is more than possible to survive in China. You just need to re-write the rules you live by. Better that than the bottom of a mine shaft in Africa.......
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