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I think you will find that the SO scale is there because CX will dictate that SO's be in the RHS as per previous KA ops.
The people making these decisions are not pilots, they will demand that if KA could do it incident free then CX/HKE should be able to do it.
This is the new paradigm, get with the program, or get "off boarded", there are plenty of out of work pilots to replace you.
The people making these decisions are not pilots, they will demand that if KA could do it incident free then CX/HKE should be able to do it.
This is the new paradigm, get with the program, or get "off boarded", there are plenty of out of work pilots to replace you.
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That may be so but it still smacks of being a generic pay scale for Group airlines. And of course as stated there is no reason why the RHS pilot shouldn’t be a SO; no need to pay them too much.
That may be so but it still smacks of being a generic pay scale for Group airlines. And of course as stated there is no reason why the RHS pilot shouldn’t be a SO; no need to pay them too much.
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I can’t see that. CX always needs a lower scale to aim for and how will they be able to divide and conquer if everyone is equal? Cos21 will be the next target for CX crew and when the next opportunity arises HKE will go lower still.
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A brutal way to put it. Here’s hoping you didn’t intend to be unkind.
Nevertheless, you made a couple of valid points. The profession has, for want of a better phrase, been increasingly dumbed down or de skilled over the past two decades. This is a direct result of the advances in technology in aircraft automation and positioning and also in ground support systems all of which combine to reduce the need for the wide range of skills required in the bad old days.
For the safety of the travelling public this is a good thing.For the profession to stand up and say they’re worth more money because they have some arcane skills this is not so good.
Aircraft manufacturers sell their product as being simple to operate and requiring minimal training or prior experience. Looking at airlines around the region, you’d have to say they have succeeded. Admittedly, the 737-Max demonstrated a flaw in that paradigm but that’s all water under the bridge now.
Can you blame management for thinking why pay the big bucks for an enhanced skill set when it isn’t necessary in today’s environment?
A brutal way to put it. Here’s hoping you didn’t intend to be unkind.
Nevertheless, you made a couple of valid points. The profession has, for want of a better phrase, been increasingly dumbed down or de skilled over the past two decades. This is a direct result of the advances in technology in aircraft automation and positioning and also in ground support systems all of which combine to reduce the need for the wide range of skills required in the bad old days.
For the safety of the travelling public this is a good thing.For the profession to stand up and say they’re worth more money because they have some arcane skills this is not so good.
Aircraft manufacturers sell their product as being simple to operate and requiring minimal training or prior experience. Looking at airlines around the region, you’d have to say they have succeeded. Admittedly, the 737-Max demonstrated a flaw in that paradigm but that’s all water under the bridge now.
Can you blame management for thinking why pay the big bucks for an enhanced skill set when it isn’t necessary in today’s environment?
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Pickuptruck, sorry to say but you are an idiot. Why would you compare with Norwegian, the lowest paid LH pilots in (Western) Europe. If this pandemic has proven anything, it is that you are much more likely to keep your job (and decent T&C’s) if you are in a unionized legacy then if you are in a loco. As a contractor you will always be the first one to go. And righteously so.
KA pilots often had their projected hours decimated by China delays. A 3-3 pattern worth 10 hours + would often turn into a 1-1 PVG pattern with two high duty time days. The contract offered some protection with Hourly Duty Pay or a a flying hour credit of half your duty. Even with these additions to the contract that don't seem to be in the COS21, 320 pilots would gripe.
So whoever takes over the China flying could be in for surprises exceeding the joys of the franchised mainland Holiday Inns' you'll be staying in.
MFF 321/330/350 will be hard work even for the talented at CX. A similar proposal unanimously voted down by the DPA on safety grounds ( back in the day pilots had a say ).
So whoever takes over the China flying could be in for surprises exceeding the joys of the franchised mainland Holiday Inns' you'll be staying in.
MFF 321/330/350 will be hard work even for the talented at CX. A similar proposal unanimously voted down by the DPA on safety grounds ( back in the day pilots had a say ).
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just to spread more joy to the fold; it’ll only be 330/320 and not 330/350/320
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Pickuptruck's motto; Times are tough, how far would you like me to bend over ?? These types are the death sign of any profession.. One should pray his mental poison doesn't spread to the Dental profession 🧐
Pickuptruck's motto; Times are tough, how far would you like me to bend over ?? These types are the death sign of any profession.. One should pray his mental poison doesn't spread to the Dental profession 🧐
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