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Cathay Bases Closure - Options?

Old 8th Nov 2020, 11:07
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It would be better if you all would read up on labour law in Europe/US/OZ instead of speculating a bunch of nonsense on here.
You would find out that most of your 'wishful thinking' doom scenarios for the bases are simply not possible and/or way more expensive than just leaving things the way they are.

There is absolutely no advantage for opening up base slots for COS18 guys, so if you are HK based now, you will be forever.

Bases might be shut down at some point, that is true, but LIFO will still apply so based guys will always have the choice of coming to HK for a while...
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 12:40
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CX could close the bases, then reopen them when things recover. Create new COS18s for the bases, but within the new productivity guidelines(pay/promotion), bases will be awarded on hours flown(monthly/yearly) and NOT seniority. Total sick days taken will also be considered.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 17:12
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I hope I'm reading too much into this but, why has Augustus written that 'All major restructure announcements to those impacted in Hong Kong have been made....'? Does this not imply further restructuring on the Bases to come?
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 23:14
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I think it's pretty obvious the bases are screwed. It's just a question of the degree of screwing over that is in the pipeline.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 02:12
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They’re not training a hundred or so pilots for HKG on the 747 for nothing. Draw your own conclusions.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 02:46
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London just received a pay proposal ..
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 03:04
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Since when are things proposed in the new normal? Diktat more like.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 04:26
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They’re not training a hundred or so pilots for HKG on the 747 for nothing. Draw your own conclusions.
so what are you implying? That they are going to close all the bases and sack all the based crew and not allow them to return to Hong Kong as stipulated in their contracts?

I would think they are training crews onto the 747 because they have crews sitting around on the pax fleets doing nothing!
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 05:37
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Exactly that. Their contracts in Hong Kong no longer exist. So they can come back on cos 18. As amended as they see fit. And no ghosting of housing or educ. Around March or April I’d say.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 06:34
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So which is it close the bases and sack them? Or close the bases and bring them back on Cos18? They aren't the same thing. Both are quite extreme but one would open up a massive can of legal worms the other would be unpleasant and result in a lot of voluntary early retirements I would imagine.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 07:41
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Your comment gives only 2 options.
There is at least a 3rd option, and quite possibly more.
Whilst the bases have, I believe, their own different collective agreements, would you agree it’s conceivable that CX may, instead of the 2 doomsday scenarios mentioned, actually offer the bases the chance to align themselves with the HK CoS18 contract, by the individual associations, such as Europe, Canada USA and those troublesome antipodeans, putting a vote to their respective membership to accept Cos18CanadaStyle for example.
It may we’ll be that the incentive for the membership to accept, would be the threat of CX saying something along the lines of “The current basing structure, with regard to leave, medical, pay structure and remuneration is now out of alignment with HK, and to ensure stability and employment for all going forward, the only way basings are viable is for the respective based association membership to vote to adopt the new CoS18 contract (by say 31 March 2021 as an example), or CX will enact the provisions of base closure”

Sam Ting Wong - do tell what the offer to the UK or Europe folk was. Could it have been a 3 months notice to accept CoS18 ora continuation of the 80%, or pay concessions in excess of 20%. Do tell, don’t leave us all hanging.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 07:47
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Now that CX is just another Asian LCC it is a matter of time before the bases are gone (it is now also only a matter of time before CX start bending airframes too).

The sodomites who mismanage this outfit won't close the bases too soon - they won't want to be short of crew if there is a quick recovery, but in the long run the bases will go. Too much hassle complying with laws in civilised countries. Remember none of this is about the money - once CX had the government loan (with more to follow if need be) survival was assured. It is about taking the opportunity to really arse rape the work force.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 08:13
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Sam Ting Wong - do tell what the offer to the UK or Europe folk was. Could it have been a 3 months notice to accept CoS18 ora continuation of the 80%, or pay concessions in excess of 20%. Do tell, don’t leave us all hanging.
I don't know the details
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 12:08
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So if CX is a LCC then you’d be over the moon about the expat package at SIA? The one that paid less than COS18......

I’d love to know where the amazing pay is in 2020 or even 2018. You all talk like there’s a great pay option out there and yet you wouldn’t last 5 minutes living and working your ass off deep in China for the only higher paying gigs out there.
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Old 26th Nov 2020, 19:09
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CX just proposed a 3-month extension of SRS, at 50% of basic salary for the US base. I imagine the other bases got the same proposal.
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