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How many pilots are on visas these days? They’ll be dismissed?
in this case I think bases look like a pretty good option for cx.
in this case I think bases look like a pretty good option for cx.
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Well, I have it on good authority that management were visiting the Immigration and Labour Departments this week. They were informed in no uncertain terms that they will no longer issue extensions of work visa's while there is a large local supply of pilots (info as of Friday afternoon). I wonder if this is a rather destructive unintended consequence of Cathay sacking all the KA pilots (i'm guessing there were about 200 local pilots involved), or whether this was a very cynical but planned strategy to eliminate another few hundred pilots without any cost to the company, as they can simply point out that employment is based on having the required visa's. Either way, about to get very interesting...
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I have no inside information, only instincts which are often wrong. But it seems that we in HK are still very underutilized. If they can unload the work permit holders the rest of us will be up to something similar to "normal". No change for the bases - remain on stand down.
I have no inside information, only instincts which are often wrong. But it seems that we in HK are still very underutilized. If they can unload the work permit holders the rest of us will be up to something similar to "normal". No change for the bases - remain on stand down.
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Why would they want even more pilots on the bases doing nothing? Pretty soon some of them won’t have flown for a year.
This is the perfect excuse for taking back the KA320 guys and saving the trouble and expense of training from current CX pilots, also the quickest way to get the neos flying.
Once they’ve recruited from the local/PR unemployed pilots they can then claim that others should have their work visa renewed. That is if they want them renewed of course.
Why would they want even more pilots on the bases doing nothing? Pretty soon some of them won’t have flown for a year.
This is the perfect excuse for taking back the KA320 guys and saving the trouble and expense of training from current CX pilots, also the quickest way to get the neos flying.
Once they’ve recruited from the local/PR unemployed pilots they can then claim that others should have their work visa renewed. That is if they want them renewed of course.
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What happens to the guys and gals just coming to the end of their seventh year on work permits ?
Can they go and get their PR with out any further extension from immigration, or are they buggered too ?
Can they go and get their PR with out any further extension from immigration, or are they buggered too ?
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If their current work permit takes them over the seven year line then they are safe, if not then they are in the same position as the others. Quite what that position is is still to be determined.
cabbages
depends on how you look at it, if they reduce the manning level at the base, many of the based guys on the bottom of the list are DEFO onto the base who don't have HK PR, they can simply give them the "oh I did offer you a job as per your contract, but since you can't get a visa, therefore your contract is terminated".... possibly don't even have to pay them the redundancy payment as per the COS
if they go the extreme of closing the bases, again those who don't have PR will get the "oh I am sorry but it's not my fault you can't work in HK", save money on the redundancy payment too.....
The biggest hit will probably be HKE though, it's likely many of the guys there won't have spent 7 years in HK being such a new company....there are literally hundreds of 320 drivers with HKPR loitering on the street of HK at the moment
depends on how you look at it, if they reduce the manning level at the base, many of the based guys on the bottom of the list are DEFO onto the base who don't have HK PR, they can simply give them the "oh I did offer you a job as per your contract, but since you can't get a visa, therefore your contract is terminated".... possibly don't even have to pay them the redundancy payment as per the COS
if they go the extreme of closing the bases, again those who don't have PR will get the "oh I am sorry but it's not my fault you can't work in HK", save money on the redundancy payment too.....
The biggest hit will probably be HKE though, it's likely many of the guys there won't have spent 7 years in HK being such a new company....there are literally hundreds of 320 drivers with HKPR loitering on the street of HK at the moment
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I was told the original plan was to reduce head count across the board cx and ka and that at the last minute somebody came up with the bin ka idea.
Even with the original plan there was the pr issue.
perhaps they thought the problem would go away if they shut down the company.
Either way it’s a bit embarrassing for our massively well paid directors.
Even with the original plan there was the pr issue.
perhaps they thought the problem would go away if they shut down the company.
Either way it’s a bit embarrassing for our massively well paid directors.
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Let’s also not forget that CXi is now just another mainland carrier “under probation” by the thugs up north, who are calling the shots in Hongkers.
Next steps will be to scrap the 7 year PR, paving the way for mainland pilots to fly the brush stroke tails.
Anyone without a HK SAR or Peoples Republic of Commie Land passport and that pinkish home return permit (which is only issued if you have a squeaky clean social media) - will be told goodbye and good luck.
Next steps will be to scrap the 7 year PR, paving the way for mainland pilots to fly the brush stroke tails.
Anyone without a HK SAR or Peoples Republic of Commie Land passport and that pinkish home return permit (which is only issued if you have a squeaky clean social media) - will be told goodbye and good luck.
Do you ex-pat fellas need Resident Visas too ? The RV in places I have worked is issued only if you have a Work Visa. Two go hand in hand, of course and is usually a rubber-stamping procedure conducted by the Company seeking to employ. That no local is available for the job has also been an 'underlying' issue but obvious to the Immigration Offices otherwise the company would not be seeking the RV and EV in the first place.
US was and still is like this. For a work permit, one had to convince the immigration dept that there was no other US Citizen who could do the work and was available. Loopholes in ever scenario of course.
Many will know of my demise in the ME. Employer, basically wanted me off the campus. Allowed me to go on leave even though my RV & EV were expiring while away. They assured me all the paperwork was in place and that it would be taken care of. Boss even told me to go ahead and enjoy my California holiday and let him know if there were any jobs going (!) Off I went. Gotcha.
Upon return, RV & EV had not been renewed & after begging & pleading, got back in on a Visit Visa. I was now a visitor with no right to employment or residency.
After a lot of hassle ( or is it 'halas' - ?) I got the boot. Company claimed that it was the Immigration Dept that was refusing to give me a Employment Visa or Resident Visa as I was now a 'Visitor'.
Wish you very unsettled chaps a much better outcome & trust CX play a much more Gentlemanly game.
US was and still is like this. For a work permit, one had to convince the immigration dept that there was no other US Citizen who could do the work and was available. Loopholes in ever scenario of course.
Many will know of my demise in the ME. Employer, basically wanted me off the campus. Allowed me to go on leave even though my RV & EV were expiring while away. They assured me all the paperwork was in place and that it would be taken care of. Boss even told me to go ahead and enjoy my California holiday and let him know if there were any jobs going (!) Off I went. Gotcha.
Upon return, RV & EV had not been renewed & after begging & pleading, got back in on a Visit Visa. I was now a visitor with no right to employment or residency.
After a lot of hassle ( or is it 'halas' - ?) I got the boot. Company claimed that it was the Immigration Dept that was refusing to give me a Employment Visa or Resident Visa as I was now a 'Visitor'.
Wish you very unsettled chaps a much better outcome & trust CX play a much more Gentlemanly game.
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If you go the extreme conspiracy theory, this might be the beginning of ousting most western expats out of HK...they won't completely eliminate westerners, just as they allow westerners in SZ, Shanghai and Beijing in many industries... But once they oust many of the westerners this round, when the next 'boom' comes, Cathay and other companies like banks etc need to hire staff from overseas, they will be told to prove they can't find people from the North first....
If you go the extreme conspiracy theory, this might be the beginning of ousting most western expats out of HK...they won't completely eliminate westerners, just as they allow westerners in SZ, Shanghai and Beijing in many industries... But once they oust many of the westerners this round, when the next 'boom' comes, Cathay and other companies like banks etc need to hire staff from overseas, they will be told to prove they can't find people from the North first....
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Very unfortunate for some if these rumours are true.. but also common procedure in many countries, isn't it? The US and Brits even voted two very peculiar individuals as their leaders just for these simplistic "patriotic" sentiments ( get "control" back, build a wall, my country first etc). You reap what you sow one could think...
