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The government never gave a crap about locals v expats. It is all about the business owners. This is even more so the case now the rulers in Peking have exerted their full control over HKG. It is about looking after those in power. They don't give a **** about the workers.
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Yep to the “displaced local crew” who threw their flying toys that hit somebody. hope it was worth it. YOU won’t have a job, I WONT have a job the,boys at Kai tak aviation won’t have a job. Maybe we can all shake hands once our families are ALL checking in for that final flight out of here. You had my sympathies ,like anybody screwed by this pandemic, but decided to go down this route. Nobody owes you anything- let alone anyone outside of the swire group. 
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1.Do you think the immigration department were unaware of the number of locals laid off?
2.Do you think the Government and the immigration department were unaware of the ordinance.
3.Who says you’ve lost your job even if the extensions were 3 months has anyone been given notice?
4.It’s highly unlikely that any of the locals will be on a flight leaving Hong Kong they don’t have the right to live and work anywhere else nor the licence.
Presumably wherever you are from won’t be employing them. The argument being “we don’t need to import pilots”. An argument that could well apply in HKG in the near future.
5. One of the reasons for the cadet scheme was to enable the recruitment of expat pilots by demonstrating a commitment to local people.
Arguably some of those people were far more screwed by the pandemic than others.
My point being even if anyone had “thrown their flying toys” you really think it would make a difference or caused the immigration department to take action. Or if they hadn’t done anything the dept would have turned a blind eye?
All of the above presupposes that the rumour is true in the first place and therefore worth debating.
2.Do you think the Government and the immigration department were unaware of the ordinance.
3.Who says you’ve lost your job even if the extensions were 3 months has anyone been given notice?
4.It’s highly unlikely that any of the locals will be on a flight leaving Hong Kong they don’t have the right to live and work anywhere else nor the licence.
Presumably wherever you are from won’t be employing them. The argument being “we don’t need to import pilots”. An argument that could well apply in HKG in the near future.
5. One of the reasons for the cadet scheme was to enable the recruitment of expat pilots by demonstrating a commitment to local people.
Arguably some of those people were far more screwed by the pandemic than others.
My point being even if anyone had “thrown their flying toys” you really think it would make a difference or caused the immigration department to take action. Or if they hadn’t done anything the dept would have turned a blind eye?
All of the above presupposes that the rumour is true in the first place and therefore worth debating.
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All Dragonair cockpit & cabin crew have lost all interline travel , inc One World.
All tickets are now cancelled. Tough luck to you all.
How many times did I hear “ best gig in Asia”
“Don't rock the boat, were too well paid”
Seems few saved for that rainy day. In a way im glad im not signing an agreement to kill my lifestyle like my cx bretheran
, while my bosses run amuck with their repugnant salaries and platitudes, ka pilots may be jumping off the nearest ifc.
Who would have blood on their hand?
All tickets are now cancelled. Tough luck to you all.
How many times did I hear “ best gig in Asia”
“Don't rock the boat, were too well paid”
Seems few saved for that rainy day. In a way im glad im not signing an agreement to kill my lifestyle like my cx bretheran
, while my bosses run amuck with their repugnant salaries and platitudes, ka pilots may be jumping off the nearest ifc.
Who would have blood on their hand?
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I won't miss the arrogance that goes from top to bottom in major airlines.
What kind of space shuttle did you fly before, that to your opinion makes you a much better operator of airliner than anybody else.?
What kind of space shuttle did you fly before, that to your opinion makes you a much better operator of airliner than anybody else.?
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[QUOTE=Walkingthedog;10935122]
3.Who says you’ve lost your job even if the extensions were 3 months has anyone been given notice?
I don’t know if anyone has been given only a three month extension but if they were then is is not for the company employing them to give notice. It would be illegal for them to be employed without a work visa, they can’t be employed, so I’d imagine that the company wouldn’t have to give them any kind of severance package even. In the past when people forgot to renew their work visa it was considered the pilot’s own responsibility and they were put on unpaid leave until they got a new visa.
3.Who says you’ve lost your job even if the extensions were 3 months has anyone been given notice?
I don’t know if anyone has been given only a three month extension but if they were then is is not for the company employing them to give notice. It would be illegal for them to be employed without a work visa, they can’t be employed, so I’d imagine that the company wouldn’t have to give them any kind of severance package even. In the past when people forgot to renew their work visa it was considered the pilot’s own responsibility and they were put on unpaid leave until they got a new visa.
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Pretty sure people are coming out with their 3 year extensions maybe you got the month mixed up with year. I know several who have been extended recently from CX and UO.
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In that case it'll help reduce the numbers across the board if the company calls it a too hard situation. I'd have to go through the seniority list for exact numbers but there are many ladies and gents from the last 5 years who will be in their 2nd/5th year renewal. If they do shed people it would be the SO's and Freighter DEFO's who are actually working relatively hard.
Maybe Carrie Lam can offer up some support from the coffers that is her mattress.
In that case it'll help reduce the numbers across the board if the company calls it a too hard situation. I'd have to go through the seniority list for exact numbers but there are many ladies and gents from the last 5 years who will be in their 2nd/5th year renewal. If they do shed people it would be the SO's and Freighter DEFO's who are actually working relatively hard.
Maybe Carrie Lam can offer up some support from the coffers that is her mattress.
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If there was really a problem here immigration and the Hong Kong government would flat out refuse to extend work permits not extend them for only 3 months. Fully expect this to be a complete non issue and the company if there is even an issue at all to sort it out behind the scenes, remember Cathay have been in this situation before when they gave work permits to all those I cadets when they had massive numbers of local graduates and people interested in becoming cadets, part of the reason cx has a cadet programme is so they can continue to bring in foreigners and experience from overseas as a way to be shown to be doing its bit for Hong Kong. Expect the status quo to continue.
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LLLQNH,
I suspect you’re right. I can’t see the remaining airlines in HK being forced to terminate several hundred current expat pilots in order to hire and retrain displaced locals who never even worked for any of those airlines in the first place. There could however be an embargo with new initial visas when there is a new pool of experienced locals available. Regardless, someone has definitely caught the attention of the immigration department.
I suspect you’re right. I can’t see the remaining airlines in HK being forced to terminate several hundred current expat pilots in order to hire and retrain displaced locals who never even worked for any of those airlines in the first place. There could however be an embargo with new initial visas when there is a new pool of experienced locals available. Regardless, someone has definitely caught the attention of the immigration department.
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If Immigration Department isn't doing as CX tell them, it makes it harder for CX to close the bases and honour the contract....with recent disregard for honouring the contract, engaging staff and doing the right thing I suspect we can expect the bases to close and those on them to be cut loose.
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The airlines would not be the ones terminating them, they would merely run out of visa and have to leave HK. Then the recently redundant from KA who have PR can claim their rightful position back with the group, the Cathay “family”. Many of the pesky expat B pilots won’t want to come back for CoS21 so it is probably only a couple of hundred pilots at most.
The airlines would not be the ones terminating them, they would merely run out of visa and have to leave HK. Then the recently redundant from KA who have PR can claim their rightful position back with the group, the Cathay “family”. Many of the pesky expat B pilots won’t want to come back for CoS21 so it is probably only a couple of hundred pilots at most.