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Displaced Local Crew

Old 9th Dec 2020, 02:07
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Does anybody have an idea how many people are affected in the 4 HKG airlines?
I imagine there has been steady recruiting for a while.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 02:30
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My guesstimate is 1400. There will be a trickle effect of 10-15 guys hitting needing a new visa every week.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 02:42
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One can only wonder at the seeming lack of foresight of senior management if that’s the case.
I guess the collateral damage extends to corporate jets and HKA.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 04:21
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Lack of foresight in that the Immigration department will now effectively aid CX group in culling pilot numbers to a lean number for the new normal? Doing the nasty work for them?

Suitably qualified HK citizens then PR's being invited for recruitment selection once increased pilot numbers actually required ? Could be a while for that yet?

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 06:48
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Ah, and there is your problem, ‘Suitably’ qualified HK citizens.
In the last 18 years i have only seen a few.
So either you keep your expats, or very quickly become the new Korean/Asiana...
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 07:33
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Here we go again. Taking shots at locals whenever you see an opportunity. If you actually used your brain for once you will realize your "suitably"qualified HK citizen can include expats who are Permanent Resident as well.

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 08:38
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Not only that you seem to ignore the many experienced and very capable local crews KA had in both seats and as trainers.
That old nonsense about “ethnicity” vs capability is getting rather tired. It’s about selection and training with an emphasis on the latter.

I might add that the vast majority of our locals were very pleasant people to work with. It was always an easy day out with them.

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 12:02
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Go back to Ryanair, I'm sure you'll be with your highly talented equals with absolutely no safety shortcomings.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 12:16
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Suitably

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What you should say is "suitably" trained and developed... This NEVER had anything to do with local or not, it always had everything to do with training and the capital invested in that regard.. Asiana, Korean, Singapore & China Airlines and their "local citizen management" cheaped out, looked the other way, and paid a very big price..
CX and its 3rd floor types, previous and those seated there NOW, have done the exact same thing and depending on present day crew makeup, may or may not pay a price. For CX, it's always about the money (i.e year end management bonus). Period...
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Walkingthedog View Post
I might add that the vast majority of our locals were very pleasant people to work with. It was always an easy day out with them.
Indeed some of the best days out when things got busy were with the locals. They might have lacked stories about scaring themselves in pre-airline single pilot ops but they knew the KA job second to none.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 13:26
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Any truth to CX recalling the displaced SOs for the 747?
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 16:39
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No Way

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Not possible, I followed the trail of wasted money and complied with orders to take Merlin Swires pet Unconcious Bias & Diversity training program 😬 Part of CX's Life Well Travelled Money Well Wasted program😳
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 22:51
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60+ 747 SOs made redundant now been given job letter
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 03:55
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There wasn’t even 60 SO’s on the 747 that were made redundant...
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 04:12
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Good news for them, although it remains to be seen how the Immigration Department will handle this.
Plenty of qualified “locals”, unless off course a little under the table deal and a fist bump took place last week
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 06:21
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BalloonBuster

There it is, another almighty expat mentality lol. Sometimes I wonder what's in these people's heads.

Certainly locals who have 4 years bachelor degrees are much more well educated than those expats who are just high school graduates who know nothing but flying in their "suitably qualified" lives.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 08:43
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Curry Lamb

Some positive news at least. Of the displaced, CX were always going to rehire their own first, no questions asked. They may already be type-rated on the 747.

It also looks like CX have retained the rights and inherit KA destinations, to be split amongst UO.
Already updated on the HKExpress website.


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Old 10th Dec 2020, 09:38
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lee_apromise

so these highly educated locals should have no trouble securing alternative employment.

Save all uneducated expat pilots

I’d buy that t shirt
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 11:58
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There is a list floating around with the divided up routes. Mainly longer ones to CX with UO getting some shorter routes and opening up to the Philippines.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
Cathay Dragon Restructuring.pdf (30.1 KB, 222 views)
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 14:32
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JMock

Oh they better thank KAL management (yes, all uni graduates so you better buy that tshirt) and the union temporarily agreeing recalling expats on 747 and 777 fleet and yet we see expats with stinky attitude towards locals on PPRuNe.

I dont have beef with expats, but i do when they have stinky attitude towards locals. Don't bite the hand that feeds you but apparently some people don't have brains.
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