Cathay Pacific ‘to axe 6,000 staff and Dragon brand’ in bid to stay afloat
Ab Fab you've just upset an Economist magazine headline writer by stealing his idea... Very good.
At least it is out there now, nothing is worse than the wait. Best of luck guys.
At least it is out there now, nothing is worse than the wait. Best of luck guys.
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Well, if everyone stays, then redundancies are inevitable. CX definitely will not need 3800 pilots for quite some time. So everyone stays and gets the minimum payout from PoS18? Nice, time for wifey to get a job! Maybe the kids too, which works out since schools won’t be affordable. Helper goes home to Manila, and her family starves to death. Thank you China!
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Well boys it’s been real. Sad to see our company go under. On the other hand, I’m happy we weren’t forced through the whole COS18 saga AND redundancies later on anyway.
It is what it is. Collect the pay check, pack up things and go. It was good while it lasted.
All the best to you guys in CX!
It is what it is. Collect the pay check, pack up things and go. It was good while it lasted.
All the best to you guys in CX!
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So 500+ more pilots for CX to offer the sign or be fired PoS18 to... Lovely! Can’t wait for the morale to hit rock bottom. You think working at CX/KA sucked before, just wait for this... JCP/JCR squeezing every last penny out of a horrible contract. How many will leave? How many will stay under absolutely miserable conditions in the new CCP’s Hong Kong? 🤮 🤮 🤮
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If the bases aren’t affected by this, then it would be one hell of a task to re-validate all who’d not been flying for a long time.
That’s 4hrs SIM each (minimum), ALC, AEP, etc. etc.
I add my sympathy to those who lost, or about to loose their jobs, and wish you the best of luck for the future.
That’s 4hrs SIM each (minimum), ALC, AEP, etc. etc.
I add my sympathy to those who lost, or about to loose their jobs, and wish you the best of luck for the future.
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Do any of you really think this is the end of the restructuring?? Losing 100-200 SO’s is nothing. This is just the beginning. Once everyone is on COS18 there are no LIFO redundancies. They will pick us off one by one and nothing you can do it about it. Good luck to us all.
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A sad day for all my former colleagues. As usual, the weak get it in the teeth and the rest carry on .
easier to completely close one airline down than managers try to negotiate the complexities of the 3 airline integration.
I wonder if the ka DFO and GMA ( PH and JT) have received their well deserved marching orders? One can only hope but I would assume they are far too important to sent home ( sarcastic smile on my face)
CX may receive a pay cut , or equivalent, but they ain't fired a single line pilot. And lots of China flying coming your way. Don’t miss that toxic hell hole.
On a brighter note, will letters be sent out to redundant ka pilots, offering them a new opportunity and future to fly the ( former ka) A320s for HKE? I wouldn’t put it past the swires to glory in the mire, and to have planned this . Oh well, I left a few years ago, and was glad hk was behind me . Was good fun, but we all must move on . Ka rip. Tragic .
easier to completely close one airline down than managers try to negotiate the complexities of the 3 airline integration.
I wonder if the ka DFO and GMA ( PH and JT) have received their well deserved marching orders? One can only hope but I would assume they are far too important to sent home ( sarcastic smile on my face)
CX may receive a pay cut , or equivalent, but they ain't fired a single line pilot. And lots of China flying coming your way. Don’t miss that toxic hell hole.
On a brighter note, will letters be sent out to redundant ka pilots, offering them a new opportunity and future to fly the ( former ka) A320s for HKE? I wouldn’t put it past the swires to glory in the mire, and to have planned this . Oh well, I left a few years ago, and was glad hk was behind me . Was good fun, but we all must move on . Ka rip. Tragic .
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A sad day for all my former colleagues. As usual, the weak get it in the teeth and the rest carry on .
easier to completely close one airline down than managers try to negotiate the complexities of the 3 airline integration.
I wonder if the ka DFO and GMA ( PH and JT) have received their well deserved marching orders? One can only hope but I would assume they are far too important to sent home ( sarcastic smile on my face)
CX may receive a pay cut , or equivalent, but they ain't fired a single line pilot. And lots of China flying coming your way. Don’t miss that toxic hell hole.
On a brighter note, will letters be sent out to redundant ka pilots, offering them a new opportunity and future to fly the ( former ka) A320s for HKE? I wouldn’t put it past the swires to glory in the mire, and to have planned this . Oh well, I left a few years ago, and was glad hk was behind me . Was good fun, but we all must move on . Ka rip. Tragic .
easier to completely close one airline down than managers try to negotiate the complexities of the 3 airline integration.
I wonder if the ka DFO and GMA ( PH and JT) have received their well deserved marching orders? One can only hope but I would assume they are far too important to sent home ( sarcastic smile on my face)
CX may receive a pay cut , or equivalent, but they ain't fired a single line pilot. And lots of China flying coming your way. Don’t miss that toxic hell hole.
On a brighter note, will letters be sent out to redundant ka pilots, offering them a new opportunity and future to fly the ( former ka) A320s for HKE? I wouldn’t put it past the swires to glory in the mire, and to have planned this . Oh well, I left a few years ago, and was glad hk was behind me . Was good fun, but we all must move on . Ka rip. Tragic .
Best to be somewhere in the middle at the moment, not too senior and costing too much, nor to junior and disposable. S/Os are an easy target as they are only needed on long haul flights which will be the last to recover, they can be replaced by a F/O in the meantime and only need a quick P2X rating when the market picks up again.
If other airlines are an indication, expect significantly lower T&Cs on a "take it or leave it" basis. I'm currently on 45% of my previous income, have lost my fixed pattern roster, will be getting no pay leave each month starting next year and now get no extra for working an OFF day. However I consider myself lucky to still have a job and not be looking at a career change in my mid 50s.
Hopefully we can hang on and in 2 - 3 years time our conditions will improve.
If other airlines are an indication, expect significantly lower T&Cs on a "take it or leave it" basis. I'm currently on 45% of my previous income, have lost my fixed pattern roster, will be getting no pay leave each month starting next year and now get no extra for working an OFF day. However I consider myself lucky to still have a job and not be looking at a career change in my mid 50s.
Hopefully we can hang on and in 2 - 3 years time our conditions will improve.
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It's a thing
Ya'll remember the US BILLIONS these clowns flushed down the toilet re Fuel Hedging ?
Only 6 years ago, as the dollars re the above were still flying out the window, the geniuses on the 9th floor were pumping MILLIONS into an absolute "must do" rebranding effort like it was the most important thing in the world... I can't begin to justly articulate what I think of these morons !!
CX Boardroom - a row of fools on a row of stools 🤡
Only 6 years ago, as the dollars re the above were still flying out the window, the geniuses on the 9th floor were pumping MILLIONS into an absolute "must do" rebranding effort like it was the most important thing in the world... I can't begin to justly articulate what I think of these morons !!
CX Boardroom - a row of fools on a row of stools 🤡
Best case scenario is a return to 50% of the schedule sometime in 2021. My guess is sadly another 1000-1500 to go. But it will be open season as LIFO is now permanently gone. No one will be safe. We are all just targets now.
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What happened yesterday to Dragonair ( to give it it's proper title ) was appalling. In the past I have chastised it's pilots and union but no one deserved what was done yesterday and a good airline was simply "snuffed out". Good luck to all at KA.
For the rest in CX the DFO's letter says it all and gives away the furture plans. COS18 was always going to be the contract for all CX pilots by hook or by crook and Covid provided the perfect opportunity and CX took it. Without LIFO the company can introduce the next cuts as early as 1st Jan 2021. That will be the retirement of the 777 fleet and redundancy of all 777 pilots. No LIFO protection anymore. As you become more familiar with your new contract you will every area has been eroded. Medical, leave, sickness, retirement, pension, housing , education, promotion, C&T allowances and of course salary. Ask yourself "if I were starting out and looking at CX as a furure employer would I sign up to this COS18". Answer NO. But in the next 2 weeks everyone will. Hobsons Choice.
For the rest in CX the DFO's letter says it all and gives away the furture plans. COS18 was always going to be the contract for all CX pilots by hook or by crook and Covid provided the perfect opportunity and CX took it. Without LIFO the company can introduce the next cuts as early as 1st Jan 2021. That will be the retirement of the 777 fleet and redundancy of all 777 pilots. No LIFO protection anymore. As you become more familiar with your new contract you will every area has been eroded. Medical, leave, sickness, retirement, pension, housing , education, promotion, C&T allowances and of course salary. Ask yourself "if I were starting out and looking at CX as a furure employer would I sign up to this COS18". Answer NO. But in the next 2 weeks everyone will. Hobsons Choice.
If the bases aren’t affected by this, then it would be one hell of a task to re-validate all who’d not been flying for a long time.
That’s 4hrs SIM each (minimum), ALC, AEP, etc. etc.
I add my sympathy to those who lost, or about to loose their jobs, and wish you the best of luck for the future.
That’s 4hrs SIM each (minimum), ALC, AEP, etc. etc.
I add my sympathy to those who lost, or about to loose their jobs, and wish you the best of luck for the future.
Not as hard as you think. Sorry to disappoint but you haven’t gotten rid of all the pesky senior to you Pilots just yet...........
