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Old 21st Oct 2020, 04:21
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This is funny for you?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 04:44
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
This is funny for you?
Enjoy COS18!
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 04:47
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Interestingly....I see no mention of the fate of the bases (or any mention at all for that matter). And btw Veritas, there just went the only chance of you ever seeing anything better than COS 18.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 04:58
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How many employees can be removed worldwide vs the number of 600? A fair chunk of that will have to be base numbers.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:08
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Have a look on the HUB in the FAQ's. It was done by 'strict seniority'. LIFO. Everyone on bases had the seniority to remain employed.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:54
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Expect in 14 days when COS18 is the prevailing contract in HK, the bases will be closed.
Base returnees then required to take the prevailing contract in HK as per the PBPA.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:04
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It ain't over..

500 mil saved out of 2 billion is not enough.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:06
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So, did any junior CX pilots actually receive a redundancy email today? Numbers weren't mentioned, and I expect they're hoping the B-Scale non-signers will make the numbers they are requiring be cut.
Bad luck to the KA guys, I feel for them.
Trying to figure out the funniest thing I've read today: Either the fact that there will be COS18RA55, or CXorcist's "What if nobody on CoS08 signs??? One last chance to demonstrate some solidarity."
Tough day for many regardless. Take care people.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:22
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TVB said 100 pilots are gone, and from sources seem are all SOs
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:24
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My question stands.
Did any junior pilots actually receive a redundancy email today?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:34
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i did hear kids who joined this and last year getting it, don't know them personally tho
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:49
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Originally Posted by Will IB Fayed View Post
My question stands.
Did any junior pilots actually receive a redundancy email today?
Yes, about 100 did.
No redundancy though, as all of them are on probation.

I don't know about KA.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 06:52
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No way this is over. What they have really set up is the ability to choose fleet and demographics in the next round of axes.

100 from the bottom was just to create a legal (debatable) way to force everyone onto COS18, nothing more.

In 3-6 months, when fleet sizes are finalised, there will be more. Say for instance that bus flying changes to 320/350, but the 777 fleet is halved (or more), now they can chop 50% FO and CN from the fleet that needs it, completely out of seniority.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 07:32
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I hate to be the portent of potential bad outcomes, and I hope the CX management have not taken notes from EK, but at EK, they sacked all the new joiners/probation people first then about a month later started the first round of culls with the line pilots. There have been three slash and burns of the line pilots thus far.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 08:21
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100%

Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
No way this is over. What they have really set up is the ability to choose fleet and demographics in the next round of axes.

100 from the bottom was just to create a legal (debatable) way to force everyone onto COS18, nothing more.

In 3-6 months, when fleet sizes are finalised, there will be more. Say for instance that bus flying changes to 320/350, but the 777 fleet is halved (or more), now they can chop 50% FO and CN from the fleet that needs it, completely out of seniority.
I couldn’t agree more Gretzky, this is only the first wave and all those on the non flying fleet should be concerned for when the next wave hits. This is far from over, the 500 million savings this first round brings them won’t be enough to staunch the haemorrhaging of cash they are experiencing. Bad times for us all.

A shout out to all our KA colleagues, you deserve better and my sincerest sympathies to you all. Best of luck for your future endeavours.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 08:59
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me and some guys are thinking the same... especially someone raised that COS18 has no LIFO clause, so once everyone signed over, it's gonna be bloodbath
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 09:31
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"management have not taken notes from EK"

They have no choice but to replicate and follow each other.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 09:45
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Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
No way this is over. What they have really set up is the ability to choose fleet and demographics in the next round of axes.

100 from the bottom was just to create a legal (debatable) way to force everyone onto COS18, nothing more.

In 3-6 months, when fleet sizes are finalised, there will be more. Say for instance that bus flying changes to 320/350, but the 777 fleet is halved (or more), now they can chop 50% FO and CN from the fleet that needs it, completely out of seniority.
Exactly !

Food for thought:
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...business-class

Which flight crew will fly those 320/321 for CX at the end of the year ?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 10:03
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Bunch of limp wrist ninnies. Likely those who haven’t a clue about solidarity, never learned a freakin thing from the 49’ers and already ruined Cathay by bending over. Grab your ankles and repeat after me... “thank you sir may I have another”
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 10:15
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Cx A330 crew. It's a quick CCQ over from the 330 the footprint and the course is already in the Cathay books, you can Find it in Vol7 or whatever it's called now. What a mess....
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