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Group redundacy, BS

Old 25th Sep 2020, 23:28
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Originally Posted by WeelardPassord View Post
How will they go about a LIFO? Dosent make sense for company to get rid of cos18 guys , defeats the whole purpose of a new COS. Plus majority them is on 747.
Does make sense for two reasons:

1. At the moment a HKG S/O is costing more than an Oz based Capt.

2. Company doesn't need any S/Os at all. If there isn't enough work for all the pilots, they need to reduce pilot numbers. You can operate without any S/Os, but you need Capts and Relief F/Os.

How will they go about it? Not rocket science. Last In First Off for each seperate pilot body until the desired number of pilots is reached.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
Does make sense for two reasons:

1. At the moment a HKG S/O is costing more than an Oz based Capt.

2. Company doesn't need any S/Os at all. If there isn't enough work for all the pilots, they need to reduce pilot numbers. You can operate without any S/Os, but you need Capts and Relief F/Os.

How will they go about it? Not rocket science. Last In First Off for each separate pilot body until the desired number of pilots is reached.

Totally agree with your post and logic.
Whilst it is very hard for our newer pilots to accept that redundancies are the way forward this is the only way. Park 30% of your airframes for the foreseeable future and you need 30% fewer pilots. Each crew needs a captain and at least an RQ first officer. SO's are not required at all, however inexpensive to employ. As for the DEFO's, well they knew the rules when they signed up. LIFO but at least you got a jumbo rating for your troubles.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 04:55
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LIFO is completely fair and understandable to anyone (surely) doesn't matter if you were hired as a DEFO or the likes, the number of years served is your seniority in numerical terms.
If CX are looking at axing 1000 pilots, well that's up to and including anyone who's been in the company for between 8-9 years. The rest will probably be on a new salary with a total reduction of around 30-40% for a certain amount of time.

I have no idea why CX management are dragging their feet in making this announcement, or at least they could send out a memo and say, "everyone will receive info from the board on XYZ date" but to keep us guessing in the dark for months is cruel.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 09:34
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They are STILL training S/O's on the line and keeping courses running in ADL.
Make of that what you will.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 10:12
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Originally Posted by crwkunt roll View Post
They are STILL training S/O's on the line and keeping courses running in ADL.
Make of that what you will.
The decisions being made about the restructure are coming from the very top, I should imagine FOP and its training department are just continuing as normal until they hear otherwise. Cathay are taking a long time to come up with a plan.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 13:22
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Originally Posted by crwkunt roll View Post
They are STILL training S/O's on the line and keeping courses running in ADL.
Make of that what you will.
Standard reactive atmosphere of HK/Asia. Don't fix it until its too late.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 13:56
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Originally Posted by crwkunt roll View Post
They are STILL training S/O's on the line and keeping courses running in ADL.
Make of that what you will.
They probably paid upfront for the ones in Adelaide, and they only pay half anyway.... so if it's paid, then might as well leave them be..
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Old 27th Sep 2020, 11:39
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Management meeting

I can only imagine that meeting...

- So... What do we do with pilots?
- look Johnny, is very simple... Last in, first out... Is a contractual thing, we can't do it different... It is what it is...
- so you are telling me that we must get rid of COS18 second officers and first officers? Those without kids, without ARAPA... Move 777 pilots to airbus...
- exactly! I tell you what, we tell those getting layoff we will hire them back if we ever need it and we offer paycut to the rest for 3 years... How does that's sound?
- oh Willy, you're a mastermind... Problem solved!
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