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Our last month of "normality"

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Our last month of "normality"

Old 31st Aug 2020, 04:25
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Our last month of "normality"

In some parts of the world it's the beginning of Spring in other parts of the world its the beginning of Autumn. Life is continuing in some parts of the world. Let's get some positive energy out there for the month. I will personally do everything I can to save my job and the jobs of my colleagues! I hope that feeling is felt across the pilot group if it comes to some sort of vote.

Positive vibes everyone!
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 06:30
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Thanks for letting us and your masters know.
Not that Augustus not already knew you would get on your knees and beg to fly 48 hour duties and tear up your contract including your AFTLs, ARAPA (or whatís left of it).
Please tell him youíll actually pay to fly, give up your schooling allowance, sell your firstborn, wife and soul. Oh wait, he already owns that last one.
Also let him know youíll do it PERMANENTLY, even if aviation will return to (semi-)normal, which it will inevitably do.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 06:34
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This is PPRuNe, negative vibes only thanks.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 07:14
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I refer you to post 3
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Piet Lood View Post
Thanks for letting us and your masters know.
Not that Augustus not already knew you would get on your knees and beg to fly 48 hour duties and tear up your contract including your AFTLs, ARAPA (or whatís left of it).
Please tell him youíll actually pay to fly, give up your schooling allowance, sell your firstborn, wife and soul. Oh wait, he already owns that last one.
Also let him know youíll do it PERMANENTLY, even if aviation will return to (semi-)normal, which it will inevitably do.

Working out some sort of deal to save jobs does not involve 48 hour duties or AFTLS being torn up.....Get a grip.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 08:05
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'Normality' has not existed here since 1993.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:30
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
In some parts of the world it's the beginning of Spring in other parts of the world its the beginning of Autumn. Life is continuing in some parts of the world. Let's get some positive energy out there for the month. I will personally do everything I can to save my job and the jobs of my colleagues! I hope that feeling is felt across the pilot group if it comes to some sort of vote.

Positive vibes everyone!
This is so stupid on so many levels it ought to be ignored and deleted. I just couldn't help myself because of its stupidity.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:22
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
I will personally do everything I can to save my job and the jobs of my colleagues! I hope that feeling is felt across the pilot group if it comes to some sort of vote.

Positive vibes everyone!
Sounds like someone is at the bottom of the LIFO list..... (not that they'll ever use it ;-)
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:41
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Herewego,
Iím in complete agreement including legal action pertaining to the redundancy clauses in my contract.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:41
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Originally Posted by doolay View Post
'Normality' has not existed here since 1993.
it wasnít normal before that either. A perfect storm of restricted supply at Kai Tak, political issues (1989 exodus, Taiwan-China traffic going via HK) meant CX was in the right place at right time for several years.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 13:01
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
Working out some sort of deal to save jobs does not involve 48 hour duties or AFTLS being torn up.....Get a grip.
Watch this space.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Piet Lood View Post
Thanks for letting us and your masters know.
Not that Augustus not already knew you would get on your knees and beg to fly 48 hour duties and tear up your contract including your AFTLs, ARAPA (or whatís left of it).
Please tell him youíll actually pay to fly, give up your schooling allowance, sell your firstborn, wife and soul. Oh wait, he already owns that last one.
Also let him know youíll do it PERMANENTLY, even if aviation will return to (semi-)normal, which it will inevitably do.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 13:46
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CX wonít be needing 3500 pilots for a very long time. Itís truly unbelievable (perhaps recklessly irresponsible) that they have held on for this long to so many. Iím not sure how we get around that reality or what obligation I have to turn CX into a jobs program for excess pilots at my own expense. I donít believe in socialism or a corporate welfare state for able bodied people. Maybe some of us are taking the ďsame team, same dreamĒ motto a bit too literally. My contract refers to LIFO and all the others do as well, except for the amendable one.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 15:53
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
CX wonít be needing 3500 pilots for a very long time. Itís truly unbelievable (perhaps recklessly irresponsible) that they have held on for this long to so many. Iím not sure how we get around that reality or what obligation I have to turn CX into a jobs program for excess pilots at my own expense. I donít believe in socialism or a corporate welfare state for able bodied people. Maybe some of us are taking the ďsame team, same dreamĒ motto a bit too literally. My contract refers to LIFO and all the others do as well, except for the amendable one.
Here here here...
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 19:34
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
CX wonít be needing 3500 pilots for a very long time. Itís truly unbelievable (perhaps recklessly irresponsible) that they have held on for this long to so many. Iím not sure how we get around that reality or what obligation I have to turn CX into a jobs program for excess pilots at my own expense. I donít believe in socialism or a corporate welfare state for able bodied people. Maybe some of us are taking the ďsame team, same dreamĒ motto a bit too literally. My contract refers to LIFO and all the others do as well, except for the amendable one.
Completely agree

BUT

I don't think it's so much 'reckless irresponsibility' as it is trying to figure out some scheme to get around LIFO (which won't be possible without an attractive voluntary separation plan similar to Southwest or other US carriers) without it costing them buckets of money -- and throwing away MORE buckets of money in the process. The government dollars funding the boondoggle probably figure in there somewhere.

But perhaps it's the same thing.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 21:02
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If you have 4 hours to cut down a tree, you should spend the first three hours sharpening your axe...

Originally Posted by Slasher1 View Post
Completely agree

BUT

I don't think it's so much 'reckless irresponsibility' as it is trying to figure out some scheme to get around LIFO (which won't be possible without an attractive voluntary separation plan similar to Southwest or other US carriers) without it costing them buckets of money -- and throwing away MORE buckets of money in the process. The government dollars funding the boondoggle probably figure in there somewhere.

But perhaps it's the same thing.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 00:24
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
In some parts of the world it's the beginning of Spring in other parts of the world its the beginning of Autumn. Life is continuing in some parts of the world. Let's get some positive energy out there for the month. I will personally do everything I can to save my job and the jobs of my colleagues! I hope that feeling is felt across the pilot group if it comes to some sort of vote.

Positive vibes everyone!
What do you mean by "everything"?
Halve your salary? Work for free? Pay to fly?
Where does it stop?
I hope you still have some pride in you.
The next two years will be tough, but there's a post-covid world in which aviation is very likely to play a big role again.
From your posts, you seem fairly young. Think long about how you want your 35-40 years of career to be.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:06
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Times will be tough no matter what. The very senior crew themselves are scared of what is to happen next. Should really be an eye opener for any new joiners from the last few years. In the end things will turn around and you may or may not get a chance again to make your money.

In the mean time save the pay check as best you can. Everyone I see is buying a new house or new car and willingly getting swamped by debt. Friends in the Sandpit are barely surviving once their mortgage is paid for the month. The boredom has gotten to everyone but try not to have a lapse of judgment while this unfolds.

You'll have your answers soon enough, until then Public Transport and $15 Char Sui Fan are your friends.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:16
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Originally Posted by Zapp_Brannigan View Post
What do you mean by "everything"?
Halve your salary? Work for free? Pay to fly?
Where does it stop?
I hope you still have some pride in you.
The next two years will be tough, but there's a post-covid world in which aviation is very likely to play a big role again.
From your posts, you seem fairly young. Think long about how you want your 35-40 years of career to be.

Wow all you pessimistic pilots need to calm down!
Will I halve my salary? Well I believe we are all going to have to take some sort of pay cut (hopefully temporary) or RRO (over 2 years). So yes I am willing to take a pay cut to save my job. If I can afford a RRO I will do that also. To save MY job and the jobs of OTHERS!

Will I work for free? Don't be ridiculous!
Will I pay to fly? This shows your immaturity during this situation, so I won't even answer this question.

I am a professional pilot and probably started here with more experience than most captains had when they joined, so the name calling and all the attacking of my experience won't bother me. Sticks and stones.

The question is will the top 1/3 pilots take a Temporary pay cut? Say 35%(everyone should be on the same pay cut)? Or are you not bothered about saving other people jobs and families?
Because everyone in the bottom 2/3 will take a cut etc. Believe me.

I am not here to argue over the what if's but simply state my intention in the upcoming months. Everyone needs to rethink their living and financial situations for the next 2 years. Its gonna be tough but we all can get through this and come out stronger on the other side.

Positive vibes!
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:28
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
Wow all you pessimistic pilots need to calm down!
Will I halve my salary? Well I believe we are all going to have to take some sort of pay cut (hopefully temporary) or RRO (over 2 years). So yes I am willing to take a pay cut to save my job. If I can afford a RRO I will do that also. To save MY job and the jobs of OTHERS!

Will I work for free? Don't be ridiculous!
Will I pay to fly? This shows your immaturity during this situation, so I won't even answer this question.

I am a professional pilot and probably started here with more experience than most captains had when they joined, so the name calling and all the attacking of my experience won't bother me. Sticks and stones.

The question is will the top 1/3 pilots take a Temporary pay cut? Say 35%(everyone should be on the same pay cut)? Or are you not bothered about saving other people jobs and families?
Because everyone in the bottom 2/3 will take a cut etc. Believe me.

I am not here to argue over the what if's but simply state my intention in the upcoming months. Everyone needs to rethink their living and financial situations for the next 2 years. Its gonna be tough but we all can get through this and come out stronger on the other side.

Positive vibes!
Are you aware that in Vietnam, TREs are being offered jobs for 700usd a month?
And that some pilots are offering to work for free?
Are you aware that P2F have been a reality for the last decade? Some of our own pilots paid money to have their first jet job.

Hence my questions. There are and always will be scabs in the industry. Don't be one.

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