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Our last month of "normality"

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Our last month of "normality"

Old 4th Sep 2020, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Will IB Fayed View Post
I don't think Cxorcist is alone. I suspect the senior half will generally be happy to take temporary cuts, but start talking permanent changes to COS, and it's bye bye Me Generation. I'd be surpised if a single person is happy to take a permanent cut so that a 500hr C172 instructor can stay.
Agree with what he said!
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:01
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Agree also with the above.

It is important to focus on what Pogie said: there is no way any manager will allow the airline to be significantly over crewed for any length of time. Long enough to get the permanent pay cuts through, and then the surplus will go, leaving the pay cuts in place.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:51
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A lower base package in combination with flexible, hourly-based payments could be in the interest of the company. This would render adjustable capacities on the way back to normality without the need of recruitment and (re-)training.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 08:55
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Fully agree, you nailed it.
Except it's a 250 hr C172 instructor, not 500. That would be way over qualified for HRs requirements!
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Will IB Fayed View Post
I don't think Cxorcist is alone. I suspect the senior half will generally be happy to take temporary cuts, but start talking permanent changes to COS, and it's bye bye Me Generation. I'd be surpised if a single person is happy to take a permanent cut so that a 500hr C172 instructor can stay.
500 hours is shitloads from what I've seen..
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 18:54
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
You truly are tone deaf.

The CDC is now responding to threats from Trump, they've seen what happens (FDA) when you don't follow Trumps lead. The craven ones are the likes of you, a truly selfish individual who's only concern is your income, and that's it.

You are a pathetic person who has described yourself very aptly (narcissistic, craven, malignant and for good measure I'll add, hysterical).

You might wish to read this...then ponder the truth of how you and millions of others have been brainwashed.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ockdown-nation
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 21:41
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

Hmmmm

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  • Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left."
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 22:13
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So... who fact checks the fact-checkers? Is it possible they might have their own biases? Are we supposed to simply lap up their views on bias as “facts” without their own bias?
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 23:23
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Ah yes Zerohedge (otherwise known as Zeroedge in the trading community). Not a great reputation for journalism so... go ahead and debunk his numbers then. I think you'll find that the article's figures are generally pretty accurate. Furthermore, the numbers are staggering even if you use the most generous estimates of COVID deaths without any lockdown. But hey if it denigrates the precious left then of course its gotta be just right wing fanaticism. (Darn those pesky right wing numbers again!) Sure, I don't mind throwing away a career so that the left can stay locked down in their safe places eating their doordash and uber eats. The world has absolutely gone mad. This virus will soon pass into history, but not until it's convenient for those who find it useful for their own benefit. If you don't believe that just ask yourself honestly how this would have gone down before the internet. No facebook, No twitter, WeChat, CNN, FOX, or whatever other garbage people are looking at. Its hysteria driven by way too much available information and relatively few people who decide how and what gets disseminated. So go ahead everyone and stay in your hideouts until your news heroes tell you it's safe to come out. I mean that's the safe thing to do right?
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 00:35
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Simply analyse the information provided. Ultimately you can make up your own mind on its veracity. If you think this is the bubonic plague, then live accordingly. If however you can ascertain that they have spent probably $200M per death in the USA (never mind the rest of the world), then perhaps you may need a bit of a reset as to what makes sense as it pertains to public spending, public policy and the ultimate question, "what are your human rights worth". I am only one opinion, but my declaration is simply that the world has destroyed a decade of economic progress to further the aims of authoritarian and cynical persons. We have caused incalculable damage to our societies and economies. Those two things alone will take a decade or more to recover, if we ever do.
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 00:38
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E39,

there is a major flaw in the Zerohedge- argument in my opinion.

It assumed that no lockdown equals to no economic costs due to Covid. That is totally unrealistic. Plus non-Covid victims caused by lack of health care capacities are not included either.The chaos and its economic consequences of a wide-spread desease are completely neglected. Also the economic consequences of other countries in lockdown (aka rest of the world) have been ignored.



Mngmt Mole,

all you said might turn out to be true one day, but I hope you later will also remember who was the president at the time.

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Old 5th Sep 2020, 01:12
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Originally Posted by Angel 8 View Post
It is now confirmed the bases are safe beyond the end of 2020 with the extension of the various salary reduction schemes.

This can mean that the axe is about to fall on HKG, which makes sense, as if they close bases at a later date, the return to HKG will be cheaper.
NZ and European base furlough extended until the end of the year, no mention of Oz. I’m not sure what this means but it can’t be long until we find out.
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 03:13
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
If however you can ascertain that they have spent probably $200M per death in the USA (never mind the rest of the world), then perhaps you may need a bit of a reset as to what makes sense as it pertains to public spending, public policy and the ultimate question, "what are your human rights worth".
How do you know how many deaths have been avoided by the measures taken?
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 04:23
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200 m per death avoided? Where did you get that number from?
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Old 5th Sep 2020, 05:13
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
200 m per death avoided? Where did you get that number from?
Have another read of my comment STW.
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 13:00
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
You might wish to read this...then ponder the truth of how you and millions of others have been brainwashed.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ockdown-nation
Too funny. Now we know where Mole gets all his information. Zero-Edge, as they say in fin circles, that great source of all that is bad about the West, and all that is good about Russia.
Look at these great statues Putin built, "viral pictures" no less: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...n-civilization

Whose truth? Who is being played?
https://newrepublic.com/article/1567...n-trojan-horse
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 13:59
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The obsession with an economically irrelevant Russia is surreal. Meanwhile, China tries to dominate and bully the globe economically and its neighbors militarily. Focusing on Russia (over China) is such an obvious distraction. Wake up!!!
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 14:41
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You can't "wake up" semi-literate "woke" people (ironic I know). Apparently I get "all" my information from Zero Hedge. I'll wait for someone to have a sensible debate regarding the information in the article I provided. Meanwhile, i'll check for "reds under the bed"...
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 07:52
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Any news on North American bases ?
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 07:55
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Reuters following up SCMP report on 50% of CX Group fleet being "parked" until 2024.
Meanwhile, Emirates returns pilots' salaries to 100% in October BUT drastically cuts housing and educational benefits.
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