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Our last month of "normality"

Old 13th Sep 2020, 04:04
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Dismal future. Hubert Horan.

This guy talks about the airline industry not facing reality. We have an 85% downturn here and it needs to be faced. CPA mentioned a couple of times. I think we will eventually become nationalized. Worth a watch.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 05:01
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Very interesting viewpoint. Titanic-like aviation industry has been taking on water for 5 months. Sinking is inevitable but the managers are worried about serving high tea or not on long haul flights.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 05:04
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Originally Posted by AltitudeBust View Post
I got told by a higher up that Dragon Air pilots will be on furlough unless they sign a lower HKE type contract.
Furlough is not an option in Hong Kong. The simplest way for management to achieve their goal is to dismiss everyone then then re-hire who they need.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 08:59
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Scoot fired ALL its expat pilots this morning.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 09:57
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Scoot fired ALL its expat pilots this morning.
i think the correct terminology is scoot retrenched all expats. There is a difference, and that happened Thursday night. Retrenchment packages are being paid, and are fair compared to the minimum legal obligation for the company.

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Old 13th Sep 2020, 14:57
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Rarely do I come right out and say someone is full of sh*t. However, in your case reazassassin that statement if fully warranted. You have NO way of knowing who and why people are rostered the way they are. You are simply trying to stir the sh*t. Most of the line pilots are seeing 30G's, as there is barely enough flying to satisfy the requirements for C and T pilot flying. It has nothing to do with anyones particulars beyond that. Your post is really appalling, as it is intended to worry people unnecessarily, which none of us need at the moment. Crawl back under your rock.
Boys and girls I think you need to relax and let the gravity of the situation sink in.

My comments were not meant to incite fear. If you really think it isn’t possible for Cathay to act in a manner that suits their best interests then think again. We’ve already seen airlines around the world release pilots out of seniority. Not following the traditional means of furloughing and targeting senior expensive contracts or dismissing those pilots with less desirable attendance and and performance issues.

The rumour is just that a rumour coming from your trusted managers. How you react to it is on you. I don’t choose to live in fear I will react to whatever happens when the time comes. I’m not going to sit in a dark room worrying about the infinite possibilities of doom and gloom.

stay educated and stay positive.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 15:35
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Originally Posted by fly1981 View Post
i think the correct terminology is scoot retrenched all expats. There is a difference, and that happened Thursday night. Retrenchment packages are being paid, and are fair compared to the minimum legal obligation for the company.
"Retrenched" Scoot style.
Each expat pilot received an email ordering them to attend the company at 8.45am bringing their company ID's, company iPads and logbooks. By 9.30am their ID's had been taken back, cancelled, iPads wiped clean and their logbooks stamped "employment terminated". Their Singaporean licences cancelled. Yes redundancy was paid and above the minimum state redundancy by including payment in lieu of holidays due. Each pilot escorted out of the building by security.
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 00:33
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That is nasty!
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 01:32
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
"Retrenched" Scoot style.
Each expat pilot received an email ordering them to attend the company at 8.45am bringing their company ID's, company iPads and logbooks. By 9.30am their ID's had been taken back, cancelled, iPads wiped clean and their logbooks stamped "employment terminated". Their Singaporean licences cancelled. Yes redundancy was paid and above the minimum state redundancy by including payment in lieu of holidays due. Each pilot escorted out of the building by security.
the 4 pilots I know that have been Affected, very close ex colleagues, are all walking away with substantially more than that, close to a years salary and medical paid up until the end of first quarter 2021, plus repatriation costs. They are all 787 tre/tri’s and have been in the company for around 7 years. As far as I am aware, this was a standard package for everyone in the company affected, provided you had been employed for more than 2 years( I don’t know what was paid in this case)3 months salary, plus 1 month for every year worked, and obviously holiday pay( or there abouts)as far as I know this is well above the minimum legal obligation( I may be wrong)
you cannot get upset about having your company ID removed, iPad cleaned, if you agreed to the package, you no longer work for the company. For most company’s getting security to escort you off the property is standard procedure, it’s just one of those things.
details of the compensation paid to those affected was made public in a media/employee brief by sia/scoot at townhall on Thursday night, so there are no secrets there.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...ear-of-service

as far as retrenchment packages go, this is one of the better ones.

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 09:42
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The incumbent Cathay management have already stated that they want to save as many jobs as possible. Keep the ‘family’ together. Wouldn’t it be nice to think they’d stick to their word and accept a slight hit at the next round of management bonuses in order to implement a similarly sensible VSS?

I guess we’ll see soon enough.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 07:29
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"Rumours are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots".

This quote has never been more true, considering what has been said here. We are all airline pilots, right? So why don't we grow a pair, go for a hike or a few beers in Wanchai, maybe Knutsford, and just get over it? Just get on with it mate, it's temporary, it will be ok 2-3 years down the line, we just need temporary measures. That's it! Luckily we will have a few less that killed themselves with heart attacks over nothing. Just move on, please ladies!
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