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The end of arapa

Old 20th Aug 2020, 10:14
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Originally Posted by AnAmusedReader View Post
Zapp B, you wrote:
"The context in the 49ers case was absolutely different than the current one.
​​​​​​Guys were doing a sick-out campaign and fired accordingly (although officially for no reason).

Where were you when the 49ers were sacked? The above is absolutely rubbish. Read John Warham;s book if you can get a copy.
I was in HK, and in the union.

Guys were picked because of their role in the "industrial" action (work-to-rule, transforming into sickout)
They were terminated for "no reason" and not because they refused to sign a new contract.
We all know they were picked because of their involvement in the industrial dispute and/or too many days of absence.

This was absolutely not the same situation as now.
There was no talk about redundancies.

Apologies if I am wrong, but please correct me, then.


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Old 20th Aug 2020, 12:44
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Originally Posted by Zapp_Brannigan View Post
I was in HK, and in the union.

Guys were picked because of their role in the "industrial" action (work-to-rule, transforming into sickout)
They were terminated for "no reason" and not because they refused to sign a new contract.
We all know they were picked because of their involvement in the industrial dispute and/or too many days of absence.

This was absolutely not the same situation as now.
There was no talk about redundancies.

Apologies if I am wrong, but please correct me, then.
The procedures for redundancies are clearly covered in all of the various contracts. Basically it's reverse seniority order with varying degrees of pay protection. That's it.

Like some other carriers, the company is free to negotiate a meaningful voluntary retirement/reduction scheme that might be attractive to higher seniority individuals and might attract enough to mitigate furloughing from the bottom up. That also doesn't violate any of the contracts.
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Old 20th Aug 2020, 14:11
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Couldnít disagree more with slasher. The redundancy clause in the contract is only there to make you feel good. When push comes to shove and the company really needs or wants to remove pilots they have the Clause in the contract theyíll use. Sec 35, says they only need to give you 3 months notice. The threat of sign a new contract or take a pre determined buy out (probably 3 months salary) is very real.

For all of you on here who say the union will take the company to court for violating the contract you need to look at what happened just last summer. The company invoked sec 35 on multiple pilots for their personal view points on the political situation in Hong Kong. Where was the union in protecting them???

As for ARAPA the same will be true. Iíve already started to make arrangements as I know I wonít be receiving what I get now. I suspect it will be something closer to HKPA if we are Lucky. Iím trying to stay positive but letís not kid ourselves. Cathay is not the type of company to miss an opportunity to slash costs.
I agree that any cuts should be temporary until the company returns to profitability. However I wonít be holding my breath on that one.

The salary for a pilot at Cathay will soon be no better than that of a LCC. HKE is the new target as is COS18. The future of the airline is locally employed pilots. Expats are no longer the desired demographic, and an extension to that I would say bases are doomed.

As for the political situation in HKG. I ask myself why would anyone want to come here. What was once a great country has been ruined by the supreme leader to the North.

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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane View Post
Great idea from the newbie!
Letís roll over and just accept whatever happens.
I suppose COS20 for ex-ARAP and all the rest of the pilots laid off, how does that sound? Enjoy your time off.
You were close!
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:19
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Originally Posted by Bangaluru View Post
What a vacuous load of misguided bollocks. Delete this thread due to a complete lack of substance.
Wasn't that misguided..
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:20
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The announcement is out. KA finished, new contracts for everyone else. Sad day, and my thoughts are particularly with my KA colleagues who didn't deserve this outcome.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:29
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
The announcement is out. KA finished, new contracts for everyone else. Sad day, and my thoughts are particularly with my KA colleagues who didn't deserve this outcome.
Correct, the KA staff have a wonderful brand and lot to be proud of. They deserve so much better than to be sacrificed on the CX alter while a soulless LCC, HK Express, takes their place.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:44
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Looks like housing up to $68k/mo for two years IF you sign over to COS 18 by the 28 Oct. If you sign after that, only one year of that amount.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 03:22
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Looks like housing up to $68k/mo for two years IF you sign over to COS 18 by the 28 Oct. If you sign after that, only one year of that amount.
What happens if you refuse to sign anything?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 03:26
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Termination if refusal is the word
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 03:29
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Correct: sign or be fired. 1999 all over again.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:10
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Deadlines to sign, pay cuts, 3 years on when record profits are made and you ask for reinstatement of pay you will be told you agreed to that cut. Sorry thanks for shopping. That’s 1999-2001 all over again
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:26
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Sign now or gone, no redundancy.

POS18 has no redundancy provisions or seniority to speak off, so sign over and in a few months another round of "redundancies", only this time you are just terminated.


Your f**ked either way.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:43
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Correct: sign or be fired. 1999 all over again.
Except, there's no jobs to go to. I wouldn't expect there will be much of a fight in HKG?
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