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Old 11th Aug 2020, 14:03
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Moving to HKG

I'm currently a CA at a U.S. regional with 3000 TT, 700 Turbine PIC. I lived in Hong Kong when I was in high school and always liked the place. I still hold my HK Permanent Residency and wondering if there's any airline doing actual hiring right now in the region. With everything that's happening here, I'd like to leave my regional job and move to Asia. I saw Air Hong Kong is accepting applications but I heard they're not actually hiring. Obviously I'd love to work for Cathay but I'm not sure if they're hiring since they aren't doing too great with the low travel demand worldwide.

I appreciate any suggestions, ideas, comments, guidance, etc. Anything. I open to working in other countries too, so I really do appreciate any suggestions you have.

Thank you!
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Unless youíre furloughed etc Iíd try and wait for things to settle down in aviation and get yourself (if yours isnít) into one of the WO regionals with flow to a major. Playing the long game the QOL and compensation in the US majors/LCCís blows CX and the HK carriers out the water.
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Green...Cathay is on the cusp of furloughing hundreds of current aircrew, possibly as many as 1000. Cathay management has shredded all existing industrial agreements, a very bad sign, and bases (domiciled aircrew) are already on severely reduced salaries, with doubts that bases will continue to remain a part of the organization. There’s a current “VR” (voluntary retirement) thread with discussions on the merits/demerits of the offer and who’s likely to take it. Cathay Dragon is at a virtual standstill and Hong Kong Express is as well. Hong Kong Airlines has hundreds of idle crew (I’m unsure if they’ve actually laid off or not) and have had serious financial *problems” for years. There are hundreds of aircraft parked, mothballed, at Chek Lap Kok. New security legislation has spooked many multinationals into relocating their staff and adverse international reporting on the laws recently enacted has all but killed tourism. Mandatory, enforced isolation is required for all arrivals and will remain until Covid-19 has run it’s course. Forecasts are that aviation worldwide won’t return to pre 2020 levels for 4 years, possibly longer. Executive aviation in Hong Kong is on life support.

if you relocated to Hong Kong you will absolutely, positively, be unemployed as a pilot for years, possibly forever.

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Gotta be a wind up.

Or someone with sub zero SA.
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Originally Posted by Green58 View Post
I'm currently a CA at a U.S. regional with 3000 TT, 700 Turbine PIC. I lived in Hong Kong when I was in high school and always liked the place. I still hold my HK Permanent Residency and wondering if there's any airline doing actual hiring right now in the region. With everything that's happening here, I'd like to leave my regional job and move to Asia. I saw Air Hong Kong is accepting applications but I heard they're not actually hiring. Obviously I'd love to work for Cathay but I'm not sure if they're hiring since they aren't doing too great with the low travel demand worldwide.

I appreciate any suggestions, ideas, comments, guidance, etc. Anything. I open to working in other countries too, so I really do appreciate any suggestions you have.

Thank you!
at the moment air Hong Kong is probably your only option. They have courses starting in a couple of weeks, so I doubt they will interview again before the end of the year, but you never know...perhaps worth a try.
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Originally Posted by Green58 View Post
I'm currently a CA at a U.S. regional with 3000 TT, 700 Turbine PIC. I lived in Hong Kong when I was in high school and always liked the place. I still hold my HK Permanent Residency and wondering if there's any airline doing actual hiring right now in the region. With everything that's happening here, I'd like to leave my regional job and move to Asia. I saw Air Hong Kong is accepting applications but I heard they're not actually hiring. Obviously I'd love to work for Cathay but I'm not sure if they're hiring since they aren't doing too great with the low travel demand worldwide.

I appreciate any suggestions, ideas, comments, guidance, etc. Anything. I open to working in other countries too, so I really do appreciate any suggestions you have.

Thank you!
Yes, move into the ChiCom Dragonís lair with the new fire breathing national security law. No flying except cargo in HK, no problem. City locked down and economy tanking, perfect. You must be a genius. Perfect for CX! That said, 3000 hours makes you far too qualified. CX prefers 100 hour cadet wonders.
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Yes, move into the ChiCom Dragonís lair with the new fire breathing national security law. No flying except cargo in HK, no problem. City locked down and economy tanking, perfect. You must be a genius. Perfect for CX! That said, 3000 hours makes you far too qualified. CX prefers 100 hour cadet wonders.
Sharing a flightdeck and a 48 layover with you must be such a pleasure! 60 years old, divorced multiple times? And nothing better than to spew negativity and BS as far as you go? Keep on going champ.
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Sharing a flightdeck and a 48 layover with you must be such a pleasure! 60 years old, divorced multiple times? And nothing better than to spew negativity and BS as far as you go? Keep on going champ.
I suspect his hatred towards crew who have the audicity to be junior to him emanates from said junior crew members making all manner of excuses not to have a beer with him down route 😉
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Sharing a flightdeck and a 48 layover with you must be such a pleasure! 60 years old, divorced multiple times? And nothing better than to spew negativity and BS as far as you go? Keep on going champ.
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Definitely a +1 for fly1981
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Perfect for CX! That said, 3000 hours makes you far too qualified. CX prefers 100 hour cadet wonders.
You must be an absolute joy to fly with. The stream in which a lot of pilots now join airlines changed a long time ago to suit the reflected environment, deal with it rather than winge about it. Itís like after the war, where some pilots who had flown in the war belittled those that didnít, even though there was no such opportunity for them. Much like today for a lot of young pilots, they simply donít have the same opportunities to earn their initial wings slogging years in GA or strapped to a military jet. Manufacturers design modern aircraft and procedures with this in mind. They arenít spaceships. I donít see crashed planes all stacked up at CLK as a result of the cadet pilot. Simply put, get with the times.

You are most likely the kind of guy who recons your crew worship and admire you, when in reality they just put up with you sh1t to get the job done then talk about what a [email protected] you really are as soon as you leave the cockpit inflight or during layovers when they all go out for beers without you while youíre stuck in your room spending your time being a big man on PPRuNe.

If you donít like your company, your colleagues, or the direction your company has been going in then why are you still here. Do everyone a solid and take the VR. Be sure to tell them you donít want any retirement travel benifits either, as you wonít be able to fathom the thought of being a passenger on a CX flight to BKK to pick up your next Thai ladyboy wife knowing that the crew upfront might have all started out as cadets.

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Green,
Apply with Atlas or Fedex.
The only way to get to HKG.
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You must be an absolute joy to fly with. The stream in which a lot of pilots now join airlines changed a long time ago to suit the reflected environment, deal with it rather than winge about it. Itís like after the war, where some pilots who had flown in the war belittled those that didnít, even though there was no such opportunity for them. Much like today for a lot of young pilots, they simply donít have the same opportunities to earn their initial wings slogging years in GA or strapped to a military jet. Manufacturers design modern aircraft and procedures with this in mind. They arenít spaceships. I donít see crashed planes all stacked up at CLK as a result of the cadet pilot. Simply put, get with the times.

You are most likely the kind of guy who recons your crew worship and admire you, when in reality they just put up with you sh1t to get the job done then talk about what a [email protected] you really are as soon as you leave the cockpit inflight or during layovers when they all go out for beers without you while youíre stuck in your room spending your time being a big man on PPRuNe.

If you donít like your company, your colleagues, or the direction your company has been going in then why are you still here. Do everyone a solid and take the VR. Be sure to tell them you donít want any retirement travel benifits either, as you wonít be able to fathom the thought of being a passenger on a CX flight to BKK to pick up your next Thai ladyboy wife knowing that the crew upfront might have all started out as cadets.
Can I buy you a beer?
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Originally Posted by TimeToWhine View Post
You must be an absolute joy to fly with. The stream in which a lot of pilots now join airlines changed a long time ago to suit the reflected environment, deal with it rather than winge about it. Itís like after the war, where some pilots who had flown in the war belittled those that didnít, even though there was no such opportunity for them. Much like today for a lot of young pilots, they simply donít have the same opportunities to earn their initial wings slogging years in GA or strapped to a military jet. Manufacturers design modern aircraft and procedures with this in mind. They arenít spaceships. I donít see crashed planes all stacked up at CLK as a result of the cadet pilot. Simply put, get with the times.

You are most likely the kind of guy who recons your crew worship and admire you, when in reality they just put up with you sh1t to get the job done then talk about what a [email protected] you really are as soon as you leave the cockpit inflight or during layovers when they all go out for beers without you while youíre stuck in your room spending your time being a big man on PPRuNe.

If you donít like your company, your colleagues, or the direction your company has been going in then why are you still here. Do everyone a solid and take the VR. Be sure to tell them you donít want any retirement travel benifits either, as you wonít be able to fathom the thought of being a passenger on a CX flight to BKK to pick up your next Thai ladyboy wife knowing that the crew upfront might have all started out as cadets.
get that man a bells!
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You must be an absolute joy to fly with. The stream in which a lot of pilots now join airlines changed a long time ago to suit the reflected environment, deal with it rather than winge about it. Itís like after the war, where some pilots who had flown in the war belittled those that didnít, even though there was no such opportunity for them. Much like today for a lot of young pilots, they simply donít have the same opportunities to earn their initial wings slogging years in GA or strapped to a military jet. Manufacturers design modern aircraft and procedures with this in mind. They arenít spaceships. I donít see crashed planes all stacked up at CLK as a result of the cadet pilot. Simply put, get with the times.

You are most likely the kind of guy who recons your crew worship and admire you, when in reality they just put up with you sh1t to get the job done then talk about what a [email protected] you really are as soon as you leave the cockpit inflight or during layovers when they all go out for beers without you while youíre stuck in your room spending your time being a big man on PPRuNe.

If you donít like your company, your colleagues, or the direction your company has been going in then why are you still here. Do everyone a solid and take the VR. Be sure to tell them you donít want any retirement travel benifits either, as you wonít be able to fathom the thought of being a passenger on a CX flight to BKK to pick up your next Thai ladyboy wife knowing that the crew upfront might have all started out as cadets.
Best post on PPRuNe ever, ladyboy wife cracked me up LOL
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On point TimeToWhine!
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Hahaha, just like Twitter! Just because you all agree, doesnít make you right. It simply makes you part of a mob. Nothing more than a school of fish waiting to be consumed. Iím actually embarrassed for you, not to mention, of you.

Move to HK... The water is warm here. Youíll love it. Plenty of other dreamers to have a beer with on those 48 hour (or much longer) layovers (in DB, if you can afford it).

PS... Not 60 (or even 50 yet), not divorced, nice try though. Until the WuFlu, never had a hard time finding anyone to drink a beer with. Lately, itís a bit of a challenge.

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Originally Posted by TimeToWhine View Post
You must be an absolute joy to fly with. The stream in which a lot of pilots now join airlines changed a long time ago to suit the reflected environment, deal with it rather than winge about it. Itís like after the war, where some pilots who had flown in the war belittled those that didnít, even though there was no such opportunity for them. Much like today for a lot of young pilots, they simply donít have the same opportunities to earn their initial wings slogging years in GA or strapped to a military jet. Manufacturers design modern aircraft and procedures with this in mind. They arenít spaceships. I donít see crashed planes all stacked up at CLK as a result of the cadet pilot. Simply put, get with the times.

You are most likely the kind of guy who recons your crew worship and admire you, when in reality they just put up with you sh1t to get the job done then talk about what a [email protected] you really are as soon as you leave the cockpit inflight or during layovers when they all go out for beers without you while youíre stuck in your room spending your time being a big man on PPRuNe.

If you donít like your company, your colleagues, or the direction your company has been going in then why are you still here. Do everyone a solid and take the VR. Be sure to tell them you donít want any retirement travel benifits either, as you wonít be able to fathom the thought of being a passenger on a CX flight to BKK to pick up your next Thai ladyboy wife knowing that the crew upfront might have all started out as cadets.
Twice when I was a FO if it wasn't for me the cadet Capt I was flying with would most likely have pranged the jet. We don't have cadets because there is a shortage of pilots, we have them to keep the HKG Government on our side.

POS18 is such a crap contract it only attracts low hour licence holders (not airline pilots, just licence holders who can legally occupy a seat) or those who are desperate - largely the South Africans.

The People Department took over aircrew recruitment from FOPs because FOPs wasn't letting enough licence holders in. DFO Hall instructed the company doctors not to reject applicants because they were weirdos, but just to stick to the CAD form. People Department pushed for the sim assessment to be made easier so more pass.

If you want to recruit airline pilots you have to improve the conditions. Current generation of 'managers', like many previous generations, think like you do - that anyone can do the job and experience doesn't matter. Auto TCAS and depress emergency descents help to reduce the risk of hiring cadets / low time licence holders rather than airline pilots, but not all risks are reduced by technology. The two events where the Capt screwed up for me were due to inexperience.

I firmly believe that our current recruitment policies will result in a hull loss. If redundancies do occur then I very much hope they are in accordance with the contract - LIFO, as it will make CX a safer airline.
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Twice when I was a FO if it wasn't for me the cadet Capt I was flying with would most likely have pranged the jet. We don't have cadets because there is a shortage of pilots, we have them to keep the HKG Government on our side.

POS18 is such a crap contract it only attracts low hour licence holders (not airline pilots, just licence holders who can legally occupy a seat) or those who are desperate - largely the South Africans.

The People Department took over aircrew recruitment from FOPs because FOPs wasn't letting enough licence holders in. DFO Hall instructed the company doctors not to reject applicants because they were weirdos, but just to stick to the CAD form. People Department pushed for the sim assessment to be made easier so more pass.

If you want to recruit airline pilots you have to improve the conditions. Current generation of 'managers', like many previous generations, think like you do - that anyone can do the job and experience doesn't matter. Auto TCAS and depress emergency descents help to reduce the risk of hiring cadets / low time licence holders rather than airline pilots, but not all risks are reduced by technology. The two events where the Capt screwed up for me were due to inexperience.

I firmly believe that our current recruitment policies will result in a hull loss. If redundancies do occur then I very much hope they are in accordance with the contract - LIFO, as it will make CX a safer airline.
Nah mate, cadets are better at memorizing the Part A and FCOM1. Therefore, they are safer pilots than you chumps with thousands of hours to rely upon. Just ask the People Department. Theyíll tell you how it really works.
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Yeah, I hate watching all those BA, LH etc jets falling out the sky when theyíre being flown by cadet pilots. Seems old snowflake is back with his whining.
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