Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Fragrant Harbour
Reload this Page >

Atlas Air strikes 3 pods on landing 747-400 at shanghai

Wikiposts
Search
Fragrant Harbour A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.

Atlas Air strikes 3 pods on landing 747-400 at shanghai

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 9th Aug 2020, 07:38
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: hong kong
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Atlas Air strikes 3 pods on landing 747-400 at shanghai

https://simpleflying.com/atlas-air-7...edium=facebook

To strike 3 engines on landing it must have been one hell of a landing
cannot is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 08:16
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Vermont
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I seem to remember cx had a similar touchdown around 2008 on a 747 in Manchester.
Fortunately for the captain some animals are more equal than others.
Piet Lood is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 11:39
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Aust
Posts: 399
Received 30 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Piet Lood
I seem to remember cx had a similar touchdown around 2008 on a 747 in Manchester.
Fortunately for the captain some animals are more equal than others.
Is anyone able to interpret what Piet is trying to say or infer?
deja vu is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 11:44
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It was a KA freighter - yeah SHE was "special".
Memorylapse is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 14:59
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Three pod strikes is very hard to do. I’m imagining a massive overreaction to the first pod strike (and possible bounce) causing the other two on the opposite wing. The jumbo is normally easy to land, but in a gusting crosswind, it needs to be well flown. The upwind wing is very susceptible to keep flying long after landing. Wind gusts and bouncing on the runway seem likely culprits.

No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
cxorcist is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 17:26
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: HK
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cxorcist
No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
Ah yes, Chuck Yeager over here with one of his signature chip on the shoulder comments. Looks like you have been too busy spewing negativity on Pprune all these years to notice that the airline industry has changed. Guess what - cadet pilots are now the norm in dozens of other airlines around the world too. This thread isn't even about CX, but you clearly can't let any opportunity slide to get a cheap shot in.

Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
Bokpiel is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 20:27
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 263
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
The high horse goes by the name of ‘Standards’. Formerly an integral part of airline operations, getting off the horse has consequences that are often not immediately apparent.

Last edited by Karunch; 10th Aug 2020 at 11:31.
Karunch is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 20:28
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Vermont
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Memorylapse
It was a KA freighter - yeah SHE was "special".
I stand corrected: KA it was. Memory lapse indeed.
Piet Lood is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 21:39
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bokpiel
Ah yes, Chuck Yeager over here with one of his signature chip on the shoulder comments. Looks like you have been too busy spewing negativity on Pprune all these years to notice that the airline industry has changed. Guess what - cadet pilots are now the norm in dozens of other airlines around the world too. This thread isn't even about CX, but you clearly can't let any opportunity slide to get a cheap shot in.

Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
Compared to you, Chuck Yeager may be appropriate. Compared to my peers, perhaps slightly above average but nothing special.
cxorcist is offline  
Old 9th Aug 2020, 22:02
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Karunch
The high horse goes by the name of ‘Standards’. Formally an integral part of airline operations, getting off the horse has consequences that are often not immediately apparent.
Don’t tell the new generation of pilots about standards lest you be branded a “Ken” or “Karen” (depending on your preferred pronouns) and have your “white privilege and fragility” explained to you by the PC brigade.
cxorcist is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 00:17
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Atlas hasn’t had good luck lately. HR was/is in charge of hiring. They were pompous and arrogant when I interviewed. They hired 3 out of 25 that interviewed. They didn’t hire the Air Force pilot I interviewed wirh, or the current 747 pilot, or the active b-52 pilot. They hired to fit a profile. A non offensive one.
4runner is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 00:58
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 4runner
Atlas hasn’t had good luck lately. HR was/is in charge of hiring. They were pompous and arrogant when I interviewed. They hired 3 out of 25 that interviewed. They didn’t hire the Air Force pilot I interviewed wirh, or the current 747 pilot, or the active b-52 pilot. They hired to fit a profile. A non offensive one.
Now that I believe. Causal?

I suppose three pod strikes aren’t too offensive, just slightly inconvenient for the bottom line.
cxorcist is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 05:05
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
More evidence...The world has lost its mind....
raven11 is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 06:02
  #14 (permalink)  
swh

Eidolon
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Some hole
Posts: 2,175
Received 24 Likes on 13 Posts
Originally Posted by cxorcist
Three pod strikes is very hard to do. I’m imagining a massive overreaction to the first pod strike (and possible bounce) causing the other two on the opposite wing. The jumbo is normally easy to land, but in a gusting crosswind, it needs to be well flown. The upwind wing is very susceptible to keep flying long after landing. Wind gusts and bouncing on the runway seem likely culprits.

No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
Wasnt the 747 designed for even those pilots past their prime close to retirement also to fly ?
swh is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 06:43
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Polar Route
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by swh
Wasnt the 747 designed for even those pilots past their prime close to retirement also to fly ?
No, it was made for hundred hour cadets to fly!
cxorcist is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 07:07
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Gerloz
Posts: 875
Received 27 Likes on 14 Posts
I doubt Mr Sutter would have agreed.
MENELAUS is offline  
Old 10th Aug 2020, 12:56
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Aust
Posts: 399
Received 30 Likes on 14 Posts
You have to wonder if the decline in the industry is due to the standard of the people they have hired in recent years.
deja vu is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2020, 03:45
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: San Diego
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cxorcist
No, it was made for hundred hour cadets to fly!
Does dispatch preload extra fuel on your flight plan to carry that chip on your shoulder around?

Every one of us had a couple hundred hours in our logbook once. With the growth of air travel over the last 30 years and the reduction of military and GA flying the old routes into airlines couldn’t meet the demand, hence why almost all majors out there hire cadets in some form, the exception being the US. Don’t waste your time being a keyboard warrior crying for the old days, if you want to pass on your “above average skills”, sigh, then train the kids. Just whining makes you sound like a snowflake.
0ztranaut is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2020, 06:05
  #19 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: hong kong
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Oztranaut ,
I don’t disagree that 200 hundred hour cadets deserve a chance , the big difference is that when I had 200 Hours in my logbook I was still flying a Cessna 172 not a jumbo . A heavily laden jumbo freighter is a very different beast to a Cessna . I blame the Capt for this accident , if the wind was gusting as much as they stated he should have taken over ,either way this is on him
its not about above average skills it’s about experience ,something that only comes with higher hours And more exposure
cannot is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2020, 06:05
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 0ztranaut
Does dispatch preload extra fuel on your flight plan to carry that chip on your shoulder around?

Every one of us had a couple hundred hours in our logbook once. With the growth of air travel over the last 30 years and the reduction of military and GA flying the old routes into airlines couldn’t meet the demand, hence why almost all majors out there hire cadets in some form, the exception being the US. Don’t waste your time being a keyboard warrior crying for the old days, if you want to pass on your “above average skills”, sigh, then train the kids. Just whining makes you sound like a snowflake.
Great post, common sense and down to the point.
Memorylapse is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.