PR Holders Verses Work Permits
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You're still not getting it. By closing bases, CX will force early retirements and resignations. We appear to be overcrewed on the pax fleet at the moment. Win for them. Now if they chucked in forced moves back to HKG in combo with putting them on COS18, almost everyone would refuse to return to the cesspit. Again, cutting the fat. This is where savings will be made by closing the bases. Yes, they're ruthless. Nasty business.
You're still not getting it. By closing bases, CX will force early retirements and resignations. We appear to be overcrewed on the pax fleet at the moment. Win for them. Now if they chucked in forced moves back to HKG in combo with putting them on COS18, almost everyone would refuse to return to the cesspit. Again, cutting the fat. This is where savings will be made by closing the bases. Yes, they're ruthless. Nasty business.
Also, not sure how smart forcing guys back to HKG and costing more to the Company would look to the Government Observers soon to be sitting on the Board of Directors.
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Now if they chucked in forced moves back to HKG in combo with putting them on COS18, almost everyone would refuse to return to the cesspit.
To say the world market for pilot jobs is looking fairly grim right now and for the foreseeable future is a huge understatement. Mass pilot layoffs, reduction of fleet numbers and uncertainly as too when countries will be fully open for international travel once again.
Exactly where in aviation market are all the based guys going to jump ship to?
Also, not sure how smart forcing guys back to HKG and costing more to the Company would look to the Government Observers soon to be sitting on the Board of Directors.
"By returning to HKG most Based guys would see their salary increase, and yes that is even on POS18!"
one thing you can be absolutely sure about is that there will be no increase in costs to the company when they come up with a plan - they're looking at cutting costs, and that's what they will do. Any agreement you have is effectively worthless right now. And yes you can sue them - and it will take years and cost a million to get the case through a court
one thing you can be absolutely sure about is that there will be no increase in costs to the company when they come up with a plan - they're looking at cutting costs, and that's what they will do. Any agreement you have is effectively worthless right now. And yes you can sue them - and it will take years and cost a million to get the case through a court
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/2020/06/10/staunchly-private-cathay-pacific-yields-to-government-oversight-after-bailout/#6bbf68f234b6
Basings are gone, I concur, from the article:
More typical government sensitivities for any airline are local jobs. Cathay over the years had to increase local pilot training rather than recruit already qualified pilots from overseas.
Competitors reckon they have lower costs since Cathay is expected by the government to provide good-paying jobs. Overseas crew bases were contentious since those foreign jobs (and employment taxes) could have been in Hong Kong.
Basings are gone, I concur, from the article:
More typical government sensitivities for any airline are local jobs. Cathay over the years had to increase local pilot training rather than recruit already qualified pilots from overseas.
Competitors reckon they have lower costs since Cathay is expected by the government to provide good-paying jobs. Overseas crew bases were contentious since those foreign jobs (and employment taxes) could have been in Hong Kong.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/2020/06/10/staunchly-private-cathay-pacific-yields-to-government-oversight-after-bailout/#6bbf68f234b6
Basings are gone, I concur, from the article:
More typical government sensitivities for any airline are local jobs. Cathay over the years had to increase local pilot training rather than recruit already qualified pilots from overseas.
Competitors reckon they have lower costs since Cathay is expected by the government to provide good-paying jobs. Overseas crew bases were contentious since those foreign jobs (and employment taxes) could have been in Hong Kong.
Basings are gone, I concur, from the article:
More typical government sensitivities for any airline are local jobs. Cathay over the years had to increase local pilot training rather than recruit already qualified pilots from overseas.
Competitors reckon they have lower costs since Cathay is expected by the government to provide good-paying jobs. Overseas crew bases were contentious since those foreign jobs (and employment taxes) could have been in Hong Kong.
Based pilots pay taxes in Hong Kong as was already pointed out, governments don't care about jobs it's taxes they care about. Given your argument will all maintenance stop in mainland China? Will all pilot training in Australia stop as well? What about load control in Prague and Taiwan, and all the other various functions and jobs around the world that could be in Hong Kong.......Doubt it!
It's not just airlines - all businesses slash overseas operations when trouble hits - it's a natural reaction and it is normally an attempt to shore up "core" areas and facilities. Overseas bases are a nice to have , not a requirement to survive
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Luckily, it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks, it is what actually occurs in reality that is more important.
All the based pilots I know, do pay tax to the HKIRD.
But, if you're into semantics, there could be the odd individual, who because of very reduced time in hk, may not breach the threshold of days in HK to trigger HKIRD liability. But as we're talking about the principle of the issue, and as you may well be KA, you may not be aware that those possible/theoretical individuals would be the smallest minority, and in practical terms totally irrelevant to the point in question.
All the based pilots I know, do pay tax to the HKIRD.
But, if you're into semantics, there could be the odd individual, who because of very reduced time in hk, may not breach the threshold of days in HK to trigger HKIRD liability. But as we're talking about the principle of the issue, and as you may well be KA, you may not be aware that those possible/theoretical individuals would be the smallest minority, and in practical terms totally irrelevant to the point in question.
Last edited by LongTimeInCX; 14th Jun 2020 at 12:51.
Yep, all Oz based Pilots certainly do pay HK tax, I’m doing this years return right now.
The Kiwis based in Oz pay full HK tax.
A lot have permanent ID’s and a lot more have HKID cards.
