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Old 5th May 2020, 08:25
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CX office workers working from their homes would crash eBay & Amazon ....
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CX office workers working from their homes would crash eBay & Amazon ....
at least there they can sleep in their own bed after that 2 hour lunch.
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LGW Takes a Hit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er_dailymailUK

Much more to follow..
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So the hunger games society begins. Anyone see that recent London real interview?
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United airs plans.

Read and notice here what no-one at CX has heard "Clerical AND Management." How many "Managers" at CX are being prepared for furlough ??? The BS and berating at CX is always always always about bashing Flight Crew and never doubting management sycophants !!!

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/comp.../05/id/966131/
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Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
Yep, it’s going to be a sh!tshow. At least 10000 US pilots furloughed, possibly over 20000 across all passenger airlines. It’s going to be ugly for quite a while. It’ll be interesting to see which ones come crawling back to CX on their hands and knees for DEFO. That assumes CX still exists and doesn’t have its own redundancies.
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Read and notice here what no-one at CX has heard "Clerical AND Management." How many "Managers" at CX are being prepared for furlough ??? The BS and berating at CX is always always always about bashing Flight Crew and never doubting management sycophants !!!
We don't know what CX is planning, but if other airlines are any guide then redundancies across the board are likely. Were you asleep several years ago when a large number of office staff AND managers were made redundant at the beginning of the 'transformation' program? I don't recall any pilots being made redundant at the time.
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GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'

Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
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So sad

How will those on Arap survive on Cos18? I can assume some have Young families and will need to pay 40-60k/month mortgage payments.

​​​​​​What is the purpose of the AOA after this is all done?

See you all in economy when you're pxing


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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
Spoke to a friend at Rumour Air yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 83646383 pirates to get the lethal injection. Further, he told me that his colleagues at Air Thumb Suck and Mole Airlines have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well.

But hey psssst, please keep it quiet as only me and the very bored exclusive ring I'm in knows about this and the media will never find out...NEVAAA!
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Old 6th May 2020, 16:25
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Not saying things won't get bad. Just saying we have some real characters here who have nothing better to do than continually start their own rumours. Shame...
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Rumours ?

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Not saying things won't get bad. Just saying we have some real characters here who have nothing better to do than continually start their own rumours. Shame...
Here you go Bokpiel, another one of those pesky "rumours", this one from Forbes Magazine just 2 days ago. This rumour relates to only ONE of the worlds 5000+ airlines.. Do the math ??????

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr.../#71a4115d2bf5
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Originally Posted by cxorcist
Yep, it’s going to be a sh!tshow. At least 10000 US pilots furloughed, possibly over 20000 across all passenger airlines. It’s going to be ugly for quite a while. It’ll be interesting to see which ones come crawling back to CX on their hands and knees for DEFO. That assumes CX still exists and doesn’t have its own redundancies.
WOW!! Come crawling back to CX on their "hands and knees" he says!! I spent 12+ years at CX, and I would rather be DESTITUTE than to subject myself and my family to that life again. Please be careful not to fall off of that pedestal!!
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Originally Posted by cabbages
GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'

Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
unless you’re a CX pilot in which case you won’t get the hint. Back of napkin says around 105 million a month putting everyone on COS18. Exactly why would the company miss this opportunity?
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I think we’ll lose one of our group airlines. My money is on the amalgamation of KA and Express. Lots to be saved by one set of managers etc etc.
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Old 9th May 2020, 00:04
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WOW!! Come crawling back to CX on their "hands and knees" he says!! I spent 12+ years at CX, and I would rather be DESTITUTE than to subject myself and my family to that life again. Please be careful not to fall off of that pedestal!!
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My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
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My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
Compared to what? BOAC captains? Starting pay first year cadet at CX is better than first year at Ryanair, BA, etc. You obviously haven't got a clue what other airlines are paying. The cheapest I've seen is earning 1000 Euro a month RHS on a 320 in Europe. You think COS 18 is worse.
Boxjockey, another full of sh*t poster on here. You have any idea at all what destitute means? Sleeping in your car in the carpark mall with 2 kids in the back. Getting woken up every 3 hrs by security and told to move on. Washing in a public bathroom, queuing at a soup kitchen, trying to get a job with no fixed address, trying to stay current as a pilot so you can find a job. You have no idea what the guys out of work in this profession are going through right now. So wind your head in, when you say you'd rather be destitute. You have no clue.
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Old 10th May 2020, 02:14
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Pickup,

You are the problem! First year pay? What about the rest of the contract? Destitute? You are comparing a pilot to an unemployed and homeless person. Why? Pilots are capable of much more than flying. We can do many other things. History shows us that. During every downturn, many pilots have left flying and never returned because they found better gigs elsewhere. Wake up JA!
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Old 10th May 2020, 02:52
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck
Compared to what? BOAC captains? Starting pay first year cadet at CX is better than first year at Ryanair, BA, etc. You obviously haven't got a clue what other airlines are paying. The cheapest I've seen is earning 1000 Euro a month RHS on a 320 in Europe. You think COS 18 is worse.....
With seniority there is no 'mobility of labour', so pay rates only matter for attracting enough at the bottom. One has to also consider quality of life, cost of living etc. $ alone is only one aspect of a gig. Once the golden handcuffs are in place one can't move, so one must fight for what you have. If the company will fail without concessions I will make concessions to keep myself employed. Once the company is back in profit I would expect my sacrifices to be recognised and to share in those profits.
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