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"Cathay Pacific eyes Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner as swap for 777X"

Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:04
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"Cathay Pacific eyes Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner as swap for 777X"

Reports of CX rethinking its order for 21 B777-9s and possibly bringing some B787-10's into the mix.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...fic-boeing-787

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ing-777x-order
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 18:52
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CX floats this rumor to try to get a cheaper deal on their 777X order. Cant imagine saving much money buying a new type aircraft, simulators, pilot type ratings.......
Just cancel half or all the 777X order and buy more A350-1000s(very similar numbers vs 787)
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 20:31
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Originally Posted by buster57 View Post
CX floats this rumor to try to get a cheaper deal on their 777X order. Cant imagine saving much money buying a new type aircraft, simulators, pilot type ratings.......
Just cancel half or all the 777X order and buy more A350-1000s(very similar numbers vs 787)
Not really... the A350s and 777-9 are longhaul aircraft with all the associated structural weight. 787-10 is a short to medium-haul machine with unrivaled economics up to about 9-10 hours. My understanding is that the 787-10 does the same mission as A333s for about 25% less. The other advantage of 787 is the ability to bring 787-9 to the fleet if necessary as a smallest long haul option which might be better suited than A359 for opening new markets.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:29
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Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:35
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.
No, but itís a very short course as long as you donít pretend itís a space shuttle.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:19
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
No, but itís a very short course as long as you donít pretend itís a space shuttle.
With the 350 the company adopted the Airbus conversion - so not a cx space shuttle course. If anything too short as we had to figure a lot out on the line. Although the 330 and 350 are very different airframes it is remarkably easy to switch between the two. I don't know if Boeing have managed to make the 787 similar enough to a 777. The 777 is a 30 year old aeroplane (and the last decent aircraft Boeing made).

Now would be a vary good time for CX to screw Boeing down on prices and / or delivery options.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:56
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Definitely a rumour at the moment but it would be nice to have options I guess. Let's be honest the 330's are old now and definitely could be replaced. The 787 is a work horse and can be flown on thin long haul routes ( with cargo ;-) )and will be perfect for the "regional" flying we do in Asia.
Mates of mine have flown both variants and they say a common type rating is fair. But a good course is needed!

Exciting times if this is true!
Then we can order the 777X when all the problems have been eradicated.



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Old 25th Apr 2020, 04:14
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Perhaps a 777F should be the go as freight will be up for the foreseeable future until the passenger flying recovers and probably will remain up post recovery.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 04:23
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Originally Posted by Avinthenews View Post
Perhaps a 777F should be the go as freight will be up for the foreseeable future until the passenger flying recovers and probably will remain up post recovery.
Perhaps freight wonít be a great business once Western nations reevaluate their trade relationships with China and their willingness to put vital supply chains in the hands of a Communist dictatorship with, arguably, malicious intentions.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 06:42
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.
Was told it can be. For US carriers FAA would require 3 in 90 days in both types to be current.
Hard enough to keep crews landing current on widebody fleets so impractical.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 07:15
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Would not the 787 be a common type rating with the 777? I believe there are other airlines that operate that way. Not 100% sure, so interested in other opinions on the subject.
FAA Common Pilot Type Rating between the B-777 and B-787
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 10:16
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Despite what that link says the 787 and 777 are not common FAA type ratings, neither is the A330 and A350 a common FAA type rating. In Europe and many other places the 777 and 787 are common type ratings.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 12:14
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Originally Posted by swh View Post
Despite what that link says the 787 and 777 are not common FAA type ratings, neither is the A330 and A350 a common FAA type rating. In Europe and many other places the 777 and 787 are common type ratings.
Interesting. The original B787 FSB report states "the B-777 and B-787 are assigned a common pilot type rating"; however, the Rev 7 states "the B-787 and the B-777 are separate type ratings that have been determined to have commonality". What changed along the way?

Original: https://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b-787_fsb.pdf
Rev 7: https://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/b787_rev_7.pdf
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Aerofat View Post
MAX.......
The change was first promulgated in Rev 5 to the FSB report, dated 9 Mar 2018. That was BEFORE the first MAX accident, which occurred on 29 October that year.
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