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Let's get real....Job losses to come!

Old 30th Mar 2020, 07:59
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It does concern me as an outsider these days, that most international airlines have set in place already redundancy and termination schemes. CX seem to be slow to instigate the hard decisions and is simply re-arranging the deck chairs whilst the cash reserves are burned down.

I did note in the press yesterday that the cargo rates on some routes had gone up by 5 times so maybe CX, having such a large cargo operation are keeping a good revenue stream going. But I don't feel CX is doing enough to preserve the airline.

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Old 30th Mar 2020, 11:03
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I am getting worried too.
no one knows how long this slowdown will last.
I would feel a lot better if some thought calls were made.
anyone who thinks weíll be up and running near 100 percent in 3 months. is dreaming...

our strategy at the moment seems to be....

wishful thinking
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 12:37
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Originally Posted by anxiao View Post
It does concern me as an outsider these days, that most international airlines have set in place already redundancy and termination schemes. CX seem to be slow to instigate the hard decisions and is simply re-arranging the deck chairs whilst the cash reserves are burned down.

I did note in the press yesterday that the cargo rates on some routes had gone up by 5 times so maybe CX, having such a large cargo operation are keeping a good revenue stream going. But I don't feel CX is doing enough to preserve the airline.
I believe it's because they hired on COS 18/20, they don't save much by laying them off, and they're exactly the demographic they wish to use to replace the old folks. The contracts require laying off in reverse seniority from the master list so these low pay ones are the first to go.

All other contracts have significant pay protection in them.

So I believe the company is plotting on how to get away with going around their contractural obligations by doing something else.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 13:20
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I believe the company is plotting on how to get away with going around their contractural obligations by doing something else.
And it’s our job now to stop them. I hope the HKAOA has a mitigation strategy for every possible non-contractual redundancy scenario they can throw at us.

Last in, First out....As per every single one of our contracts.

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Old 31st Mar 2020, 02:09
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Originally Posted by doolay View Post
And itís our job now to stop them. I hope the HKAOA has a mitigation strategy for every possible non-contractual redundancy scenario they can throw at us.

Last in, First out....As per every single one of our contracts.

How about a training ban?
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
How about a training ban?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Old 31st Mar 2020, 14:29
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People... you really have to stop this panic.
CX KA are saving a fortune by parking a/c
96% of the fuel cost ... frozen
96% of Nav charges... frozen
96% Landing/ Parking fees... frozen
96% of duty pay... frozen
etc. etc. they can afford to keep all staff. The question is, how long can they keep aircraft that they don’t need.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 16:35
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Eh?
96% of (passenger) revenue gone.
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Old 31st Mar 2020, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Eh?
96% of (passenger) revenue gone.
Paul. Itís been said before.
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 02:39
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Whaaaaa ??

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Paul. Itís been said before.
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So Globocnik, Paul is wrong ????? Last time I took a business class the end result was a sum, INCOME - EXPENSES = X.. Has something changed ??
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
So Globocnik, Paul is wrong ????? Last time I took a business class the end result was a sum, INCOME - EXPENSES = X.. Has something changed ??
No of course heís not wrong. Far from it. And Iím just as bemused by the Companyís response as any of us. Itís just not helping pointing out the bleeding obvious. And by his own admission not even part of our industry. Just an interested or ďamusedĒ bystander.
Thereís enough stress around without trolls with no skin in the game adding their two penníorth to it.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 07:01
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Ba now laying off 36000 staff too.
When is Cathay doing something?



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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 08:44
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Well, that would explain the young enthusiastic new joiners I saw on "the street" just a few days ago. CX management are obviously smarter than the rest of the industry combined (and that will make even more sense when they come asking their present employees for even more SLS....).
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 09:58
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I think that it is very unlikely that more sls taking pilot will take more sls, why would they do the heavy lifting while other pilots are not taking sls.

a situation created not by us, but by making sls voluntary..

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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 10:17
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
I think that it is very unlikely that more sls taking pilot will take more sls, why would they do the heavy lifting while other pilots are not taking sls.

a situation created not by us, but by marking sls voluntary..
Probably because the alternative to voluntary SLS is either fo do nothing or lay crew off. Compulsory SLS is not an option for them. Hong Kongís archaic labor laws and our 20 page contract suits them at times. At other times it works against them. Swings and roundabouts.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 10:42
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Is that so? They canít force sls?
well thatís a real problem..
the alternative is ofcourse a new contract for all, which is not desirable at all, and will take a long time to plan or implement.

why doesnít the union work with the company for once and Ďencourageí everyone to take it, rather than have some shitty contract shoved down our throats?

Speaking of union, itís been very quiet...
a little proactive action would be good.


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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Is that so? They canít force sls?
well thatís a real problem..
the alternative is ofcourse a new contract for all, which is not desirable at all, and will take a long time to plan or implement.

why doesnít the union work with the company for once and Ďencourageí everyone to take it, rather than have some shitty contract shoved down our throats?

Speaking of union, itís been very quiet...
a little proactive action would be good.
Sorry, but very out of touch. You might want to put yourself in others shoes before making such statements.

Some of us are working a full roster. Many of my colleagues are working overtime. All of us, exposing ourselves more than you sitting at home. And now you are telling me that I should do it for no money?

Sorry, but Iím sure Cathay is not giving that cargo space away for free. Pretty sure they are collecting, and most likely, charging quite a bit more than usual (supply and demand, have no problem with that).

The day will come when even freighters will sit idle. When that happens, and there is no work, then I will gladly take unpaid leave if it helps temporarily relieve the burden.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 11:36
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is Sam Ting Wong PM by any chance?
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 12:42
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No lay offs in BA, just talks of temporary suspension, media jumped the gun as usual as talks continue with Unite. BALPA organised something separate with us last month, 4 weeks ULV over 3 months.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 12:47
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
Is that so? They canít force sls?
well thatís a real problem..
the alternative is ofcourse a new contract for all, which is not desirable at all, and will take a long time to plan or implement.

why doesnít the union work with the company for once and Ďencourageí everyone to take it, rather than have some shitty contract shoved down our throats?

Speaking of union, itís been very quiet...
a little proactive action would be good.
The association has no power to adjust individuals contracts, even through majority vote. The DFO said the same thing not more than 6 months ago. In fact the DFO hinted at negotiating directly with his 3,500 individual pilots, which is exactly what he did with the original SLS by not involving the association at all.

So I assume youíre being consistent and asking the DFO why heís not contacting you again? Or alternatively, what are you offering as an individual to the DFO? Thatís his stated preferred method of negotiating. One on one.
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