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Profitable 2019. Where is our full 13th month?

Old 11th Mar 2020, 14:14
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Profitable 2019. Where is our full 13th month?

So, considering todays profit announcement for the 2019 financial year, where is our justified full 13th month payment? There can be no question that under any interpretation of our contracts it should be paid in full. I assume the HKAOA and other associations are pressing this, and hopefully taking legal action to support. We deserve to receive a full payment as it was earned with dedicated hard work throughout the year. Considering it unlikely we will be seeing a 13th month this year, we should certainly expect to receive it for this past year.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 16:06
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Normally.
”Satisfactory” operating profit.
”Marginal” profit.
As determined by the Company.

Certainly lots of wriggle room for the company lawyers there. Our one real argument is that while any of the above may result in a reduced ADB, only “in extreme circumstances, not paid”.
So when management made the decision in December 2019 to not pay one cent of the ADB, what were the “extreme circumstances” at that time?

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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:26
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Years ago the company started to manipulate the payout on Profit Sharing. Now, effectively there is none. Just empty words in our worthless contracts. Now, they are starting to treat the 13th month in the same fashion. If the AOA does not immediately confront and challenge the company on this travesty, and immediately begin legal proceedings, then the pilots in HK can effectively consider that the 13th month is no longer something they can expect as part of their contract. Either fight this now, of simply give up. As usual, disgraceful behaviour on part of the company. (I might add that a failure to fight this will also lead to the conclusion that the AOA is not worth belonging to).
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 23:15
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Originally Posted by Apple Tree Yard View Post
Years ago the company started to manipulate the payout on Profit Sharing. Now, effectively there is none. Just empty words in our worthless contracts. Now, they are starting to treat the 13th month in the same fashion. If the AOA does not immediately confront and challenge the company on this travesty, and immediately begin legal proceedings, then the pilots in HK can effectively consider that the 13th month is no longer something they can expect as part of their contract. Either fight this now, of simply give up. As usual, disgraceful behaviour on part of the company. (I might add that a failure to fight this will also lead to the conclusion that the AOA is not worth belonging to).
100% correct!!!

I will only add that I will start taking SLS seriously when CX starts taking 13th month and the profit share seriously.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 00:33
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The real absurdity is that there will be people posting on this thread and complaining about not receiving their full 13th month, at the same time having taken SLS and given the company ANOTHER three weeks of their pay. You can't make this stuff up. Ponder the BILLION plus profit, then think about your family not having another 3 weeks pay which you rightly should be entitled to have received. Definition of Insanity?.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 01:08
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Apparently just under A$1million profit PER DAY, EVERY DAY, FOR THE WHOLE YEAR is not enough! UNFKNBLVBL
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 02:16
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Originally Posted by Apple Tree Yard View Post
The real absurdity is that there will be people posting on this thread and complaining about not receiving their full 13th month, at the same time having taken SLS and given the company ANOTHER three weeks of their pay. You can't make this stuff up. Ponder the BILLION plus profit, then think about your family not having another 3 weeks pay which you rightly should be entitled to have received. Definition of Insanity?.
Management knew the company was going to make a profit, and a healthy one. They weren’t going to ask people to take SLS after the fact.

whomever took SLS, thanks for taking a hit to your savings to further help the company profit
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 02:39
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Getting the AOA to challenge this is an absolute waste of time and money. The company will argue the second half loss drove the decision.

Just take some time off when it suits you (if you are brave enough to do that rather than just post here) to get back what has been stolen from you.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 04:01
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Wake up idiots.

This Covid19 has the potential to destroy the airline industry and others while you fools worry about your damn 13th month.

Big picture I would have thought...

Now stop going on about it.......it’s done. Worry about having a job at all.

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Wake up idiots.

This Covid19 has the potential to destroy the airline industry and others while you fools worry about your damn 13th month.

Big picture I would have thought...

Now stop going on about it.......it’s done. Worry about having a job at all.
Do not for a minute underestimate the amount of money the freighter fleet is making.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 04:29
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ACMS. Our 13th month contribution is a drop in the bucket for the balance sheet of a major airline like CX. What IS important is being treated fairly throughout your career. That starts with honesty and equitable treatment. The Captains of this alrline have been basically cheated out of two years of 13th month the past three years. Most pilots were cheated out of their contractual compensation, through a cynical and manipulative narrative that has now just been proven false. The virus panic was after the fact. So no, I won't just let it go. CX has been raking in billions upon billions for decades. They will survive this difficult period. What they won't do is stop abusing their pilots if we don't stand up for fair treatment. You sound like a scared rabbit. Just what our management wants to see.
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ACMS. Our 13th month contribution is a drop in the bucket for the balance sheet of a major airline like CX. What IS important is being treated fairly throughout your career. That starts with honesty and equitable treatment. The Captains of this alrline have been basically cheated out of two years of 13th month the past three years. Most pilots were cheated out of their contractual compensation, through a cynical and manipulative narrative that has now just been proven false. The virus panic was after the fact. So no, I won't just let it go. CX has been raking in billions upon billions for decades. They will survive this difficult period. What they won't do is stop abusing their pilots if we don't stand up for fair treatment. You sound like a scared rabbit. Just what our management wants to see.

Well let’s all hope you are correct.

I'm just observing what is going on, nothing more.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:18
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ACMS is right on the money. Or lack of it. FFS catch a grip.
And where else would you get a job right now ?
The whole world is imploding. Not just locally.
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Globocnik, kindly explain where ATY is incorrect. The amount of money involved in the 13th month issue is a relative rounding error to the company. The crisis will pass (they always do), but in the meantime you will have justified the company's continuing disrespect for your contract and your ongoing effort to do your job to the highest standards, and allow them to diminish the value of your career. Not to mention withholding monies that you and your family rightfully earned.

The company just declared a fairly healthy profit for the year. It is completely correct to insist that proper remuneration for that year, based on your CONTRACT is paid. To not do so, and just allow more abuse to pass into the history books only ensures the rest of your career will experience more of the same. Again, this crisis will pass. That has nothing to do with insisting on being paid according to your contract.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:04
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You people in here never give up do you.........

Time and a place........time and a place......

This ain’t the time or the place for chest beating......
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We should be happy if cpa is still around at the end of this year and some of you fools are complaining you didn’t get 13th month.

Absolutely insane
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And the fact that we also lose the associated P Fund payment never gets mentioned. That’s the reason the company likes to convert into a gratuity. Specious, sneaky, disgraceful, a breach of contract..words fail. Of course SLS will also mean a reduced PF. No doubt the people who dreamed this up are on a defined benefits scheme still.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:24
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Exactly. And again, unmentioned is reduction in retirement benefits. No mention by AOA, No action. Useless. Asking for SLS AFTER paying a fully earned 13th month would at least have given credence to the request for SLS. All one way as usual.
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As someone else said. Being around in 3 or 4 months is the priority. We can then debate the niceties of whether this should have been paid, assuming that there’s a company left to debate with.
Patently ATY ans Managememt Mole haven’t been out of a job. ( I’ll apologize unreservedly if that is incorrect). I have. And everything turns to shit very quickly. War chest or not.
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I rest my case.......

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