Redundancies- would you take it
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The way forward is a redundancy package which will shed some of the more expensive crew and then cut from the bottom until the airline is the right size for the demand. Park the least efficient airframes in the desert and carry on. I look forward to a return to low frequencies and long layovers.
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A meeting was held on Friday 6th March to discuss pilot redundancies within the "Cathay Group of Airlines".
A number of points were discussed.
1. KA and it's future if any. Much easier to merge with "Express" ( the new preferred name id "Cathay EXPRESS" ) in a larger, leaner low cost entity.
2. Last in, first out.
3. Voluntary or involuntary redundancy ( see 2 above ).
4. Compensation. Follow the HKG Govt guidelines of after 10 years service 1 month for every year served plus 3 months. So 20 years service you get 20+3 months. Less than ten you get the contractual 6+3 months. OR years service remaining plus 3 months whichever is the lower. So say a pilot has done 30 years with 5 to go before normal retirement then the offer would be 60 months + 3 vs 30 +3. The lower being 33.
5. Tax free or not tax free.
6. Return to service. Last in first back or not.
7. Close all bases.
8. Forced redundancy with minimum payout ie 6 months plus 3.
In a mailbox near you by end of March.
A number of points were discussed.
1. KA and it's future if any. Much easier to merge with "Express" ( the new preferred name id "Cathay EXPRESS" ) in a larger, leaner low cost entity.
2. Last in, first out.
3. Voluntary or involuntary redundancy ( see 2 above ).
4. Compensation. Follow the HKG Govt guidelines of after 10 years service 1 month for every year served plus 3 months. So 20 years service you get 20+3 months. Less than ten you get the contractual 6+3 months. OR years service remaining plus 3 months whichever is the lower. So say a pilot has done 30 years with 5 to go before normal retirement then the offer would be 60 months + 3 vs 30 +3. The lower being 33.
5. Tax free or not tax free.
6. Return to service. Last in first back or not.
7. Close all bases.
8. Forced redundancy with minimum payout ie 6 months plus 3.
In a mailbox near you by end of March.
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If you have done 30 years with5 to go you are so far up the seniority list that redundancies won’t affect you . Therefore you would only go if you wanted to
for those on retire at 55 contracts they may not be given the option to sign over the company may use this excuse to get rid of some more expensive but much more experienced pilots
norweigan is about to lay off half of their workforce and BA is saying their very survival is at stake . I don’t believe that for a second but it’s always good to make it sound terrible when you are about to lay staff off
for those on retire at 55 contracts they may not be given the option to sign over the company may use this excuse to get rid of some more expensive but much more experienced pilots
norweigan is about to lay off half of their workforce and BA is saying their very survival is at stake . I don’t believe that for a second but it’s always good to make it sound terrible when you are about to lay staff off
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What are these "HKG Govt guidelines" of which you speak?
The law on severance pay is quite clear: HK$15,000 per year of service, capped at $390,000.
If you have something more than that in your contract of employment then great.
The law on severance pay is quite clear: HK$15,000 per year of service, capped at $390,000.
If you have something more than that in your contract of employment then great.
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What are these "HKG Govt guidelines" of which you speak?
The law on severance pay is quite clear: HK$15,000 per year of service, capped at $390,000.
If you have something more than that in your contract of employment then great.
The law on severance pay is quite clear: HK$15,000 per year of service, capped at $390,000.
If you have something more than that in your contract of employment then great.
FFS if you don't know your own contract what hope is there for you ?
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I simply asked where I might find the "the HKG Govt guidelines of after 10 years service 1 month for every year served plus 3 months." I have never seen such guidelines from the HK Government.
Moreover "Even a domestic worker with more than 10 years with one employer gets better terms." Well no. I have in my hand the mandatory Employment Contract for Domestic Helpers, and, apart from a flight back home, FDHs are entitled simply to the legal minimum as prescribed by law. (Employment Ordinance, Cap.57) In their case of course it is 2/3 * monthly salary per year of service (since they don't reach the cap of $15,000).
Frankly I am tending to concur with the view of others here that you basically just spout crap.
Moreover "Even a domestic worker with more than 10 years with one employer gets better terms." Well no. I have in my hand the mandatory Employment Contract for Domestic Helpers, and, apart from a flight back home, FDHs are entitled simply to the legal minimum as prescribed by law. (Employment Ordinance, Cap.57) In their case of course it is 2/3 * monthly salary per year of service (since they don't reach the cap of $15,000).
Frankly I am tending to concur with the view of others here that you basically just spout crap.
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I'm surprised that Korean haven't binned all their foreign pilots by now like a few other Asian carriers have done. That's good that they haven't, hats off to KAL management this time.
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Screw all this bs... its a bunch of wannabe shiny jet pilots want left seat but no insurance company would let it happen against the company knowing they will hit a hill if they do....jesus noone reads the freaking airbus flyer and watch the amount of idiot new tc’s writing in to cover their messes and realize just how screwed up they were? How many have written in in their screwups not activating approach, or go thru loc, or cant even do a capture from above thats been written up for 20 plus years....., or a Captain is unaware that his relief commander or so has been hand flying for hours at altitude..Or arming the emergency descent......if pax only knew and understood,
I facepalm every week or so when i read that drivel from GD and how could he write that to paper revealing the dimwits that are now captains ....what the f are you thinking writing down the incompetence thats occurring....this isn't i made mistake...its worse ....just plain dumb GA **** we learnt before 1000 hours... but we call it OLR now......or what we called in our day .....” a beer in the ****ng bar story”
go ahead , offer redundancies,.....personally shove the trash that doesn’t know ****.....like the SO who fluffs the captains pillow on 777, whose tinder profile is now the laughing stock of the pilot and cabin crew community...yeah mate “ i am more flexible in my 60s than you”
as for A scale there is probably less than 150 pilots here who are.....its B scale.....which is half of ******* A scale renumeration
does even any D scale know how much A scale was ever paid and know how much they have been screwed in their following years? Cause a plane ticket aint got cheaper in 20 plus years... but your sure paid less...
last in first out ...welcome to contract...
I facepalm every week or so when i read that drivel from GD and how could he write that to paper revealing the dimwits that are now captains ....what the f are you thinking writing down the incompetence thats occurring....this isn't i made mistake...its worse ....just plain dumb GA **** we learnt before 1000 hours... but we call it OLR now......or what we called in our day .....” a beer in the ****ng bar story”
go ahead , offer redundancies,.....personally shove the trash that doesn’t know ****.....like the SO who fluffs the captains pillow on 777, whose tinder profile is now the laughing stock of the pilot and cabin crew community...yeah mate “ i am more flexible in my 60s than you”
as for A scale there is probably less than 150 pilots here who are.....its B scale.....which is half of ******* A scale renumeration
does even any D scale know how much A scale was ever paid and know how much they have been screwed in their following years? Cause a plane ticket aint got cheaper in 20 plus years... but your sure paid less...
last in first out ...welcome to contract...
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The contract specifies last in, first out so that is what they have to do by law. The problem is, the last few hundred in are on COS 18 so they are basically hourly paid and save very little if they are made redundant. The company can and will offer voluntary redundancies but the terms will have to be attractive enough for the highest-paid pilots to accept them. COS 99 pilots have no hope of extension now and I would not be surprised if the ones who have been extended are let go, I'm sure there must be a clause in their contracts to allow the company to do just that.
CX is going to have to downsize significantly and it will be years before it grows back to its current size, stand by for orders to be canceled and upgrades to come to a halt.
We will get through this crisis but it is going to wipe trillions of dollars from the world economy, businesses will fail and the ones who survive will be significantly weakened. The silver lining to all of this is that oil prices are low and trending lower, CX stands to make billions coming out of this as long as the fuel hedge geniuses are on SLS and not making any more of their idiotic gambles!
Stay safe everyone, ultimately there will be a vaccine this time next year. Looking forward to a COVID 19 free world.
CX is going to have to downsize significantly and it will be years before it grows back to its current size, stand by for orders to be canceled and upgrades to come to a halt.
We will get through this crisis but it is going to wipe trillions of dollars from the world economy, businesses will fail and the ones who survive will be significantly weakened. The silver lining to all of this is that oil prices are low and trending lower, CX stands to make billions coming out of this as long as the fuel hedge geniuses are on SLS and not making any more of their idiotic gambles!
Stay safe everyone, ultimately there will be a vaccine this time next year. Looking forward to a COVID 19 free world.
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"Looking forward to a Cov19 free world..." I'm more looking forward to the world regaining its sanity. There's been 3 deaths in HK, about 45 in the USA, and approx 5000 worldwide. Sad losses for all involved. However, SARS killed almost 300 in HK alone in 2003. In approx 2009, Swine Flu killed almost 20,000 alone in the US. Last year 80,000 americans died of the flu. Never mind car accidents, opiods, cancer etc, etc. The regular flu infects millions each year and killed 34,000 in the USA in 2018. I don't remember the entire world shutting down and driving itself into an economic depression. Time for most of the people to put on big boy pants and come back to reality. The biggest and most hysterical overreaction in modern times. (all numbers from the CDC website).
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"Looking forward to a Cov19 free world..." I'm more looking forward to the world regaining its sanity. There's been 3 deaths in HK, about 45 in the USA, and approx 5000 worldwide. Sad losses for all involved. However, SARS killed almost 300 in HK alone in 2003. In approx 2009, Swine Flu killed almost 20,000 alone in the US. Last year 80,000 americans died of the flu. Never mind car accidents, opiods, cancer etc, etc. The regular flu infects millions each year and killed 34,000 in the USA alone in 2018. I don't remember the entire world shutting itself down and driving it into an economic depression. Time for most of the people to put on big boy pants and come back to reality. The biggest and most hysterical overreaction in modern times. (all numbers from the CDC website).
The overreaction and panic has always scared me a great more than the disease. Especially with all the media hype. An internet created crisis.
It doesn’t help that the ChiComms lie about everything and then some creating a credibility gap.
And that some are using the event as a political weapon.
To be sure, during an outbreak of ANYTHING cruise ships and airplanes are not good places to be and if a person doesn’t have to be on one it doesn’t hurt not to be. But the crazy capital markets and halting of normal life seems just that — crazy.
Things will restart with a vengeance but until that airplanes get parked. No big deal ride out the storm and there’ll be lots of flying to be had downline. Whether that’s at CX or anywhere else. But perhaps this is a golden opportunity to move on IF a decent package were issued.
Can’t see the on the cheap’ airline as doing this though.
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Interesting graphical presentation of Covid19 vs other diseases:
https://informationisbeautiful.net/v...phic-datapack/
https://informationisbeautiful.net/v...phic-datapack/
HK, Singapore and Taiwan have low numbers because they took drastic measures early on, social distancing etc etc.
The west needs to do this quickly, it may already be too late.
The west needs to do this quickly, it may already be too late.
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Main dog , the problem is that UK is doing absolutely nothing to prevent the spread of this viral disease . The NHS is nowhere near ready for the wave of infections that are about to hit them . The UK should have banned large gatherings they haven’t . People will die because of a lack of respirators which is going to be the biggest issue . Elderly people those undergoing chemo or on drugs to suppress the immune system . COPD sufferers, basically anyone with an underlying health condition may need a bed in an ICU and the doctors much like Italy will have to decide if they are going to throw granny out to give her bed to a younger person , as ACMS correctly stated HK Singapore and Taiwan took early corrective steps plus viruses do not like hot humid conditions with lots of sunlight . But they thrive in cramped crowded conditions.
we will see how Boris’s policies work out .. I read an article that suggested that the hospitals in the USA will be overrun in 8 days we shall see .
good luck to everyone , stay safe out there
we will see how Boris’s policies work out .. I read an article that suggested that the hospitals in the USA will be overrun in 8 days we shall see .
good luck to everyone , stay safe out there
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Base training
There is no chance of redundancies, training is still going on.
I happened to spot on Flt Radar that KA were doing base training this morning in a 320 at Macau.
What a waste of time, money, and effort.
I happened to spot on Flt Radar that KA were doing base training this morning in a 320 at Macau.
What a waste of time, money, and effort.
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Plenty of money to spend on training...yet again an old bastard who should get a life (Checker who is now a Sim Checker) has been doing checks without a valid licence. Bunch of poor sods have to redo PCs. Why can't CX manage this? How hard is it to track licences, medicals, ratings etc? Too hard for an outfit which always watches the pennies, never the pounds.
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