Reasons for NOT doing SLS - please add yours
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IF the Company have altered the redundancy clause for those who sign for SLS, it makes more sense they will protect those who support and EXEMPT them from any redundancy or furlough that may result from the current downturn.
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But you are right, Cathay never screws over people that go out of their way to help them. Has never happened, so why worry about it? I’m sure you’ll be fine for taking SLS, don’t worry about it mate.
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Word on the street is that those consenting have signed off critical redundancy protections in their contract, making them less complicated to put on furlough than someone who hasn’t.
IF the Company have altered the redundancy clause for those who sign for SLS, it makes more sense they will protect those who support and EXEMPT them from any redundancy or furlough that may result from the current downturn.
IF the Company have altered the redundancy clause for those who sign for SLS, it makes more sense they will protect those who support and EXEMPT them from any redundancy or furlough that may result from the current downturn.
Most of the COSs/EAs/CAs/CBAs have the redundancy clause referencing the master seniority list. In HKG it's likely possible you could amend YOUR OWN contract/COS but not others. You could certainly not alter the various other collective agreements. Nor is there an easy way for an individual to amend a collective agreement in most other jurisdictions (when a collective agreement exists, in most countries unless there's a contractual provision for it a person cannot make an individual 'deal'). So while you potentially could screw yourself you couldn't alter the requirement to make people redundant based on seniority for everyone else's agreement.
Meaning that if an individual were getting preferential treatment with regard to seniority in HKG the unions in other jurisdictions could file a complaint in THEIR jurisdiction (and adjudicate it with respect to their particular CA). In fact by not consulting with the TUs and 'imposing' this the Company may well have opened up a can of worms. For example, had the terms been clearly delineated and the TUs worked it out in their jurisdiction there may not have been a problem. But now the company may not be able to pay back SLS in those jurisdictions downline even if it wants to. Since there was voluntary leave proposed with no delineated concrete contractual terms (with subsequent 'payment' of salary reduction for this leave) and this came at the expense of NOT making redundancies IAW seniority, this has made some TU members worse off. One possible scheme MIGHT have been to frame this as a form of interest free loan to be paid back according to contract terms. But it went into an uncertain 'soft' quagmire with no delineated terms. So those who didn't take this voluntary scheme have been made worse off by the lack of forced redundancies IAW contract. Now if the company pays back those taking it, those not have been disparaged by the voluntary scheme and may well have basis for grievance or legal action IAW the contract.
SLS falls under the 'voluntary leave' section of those CAs. When the CAs were ratified, I guess it was assumed the individual members would recognize an attempt to short circuit their CA and act accordingly when and if it happened. And could not be compelled to take some scheme which might do so. ON these CAs, there really isn't a way to take a voluntary redundancy (with the layoff procedures being delineated in the CA itself--some with 6 months pay protection and recall rights). I guess some scheme could be concocted and placed under the voluntary leave section much like SLS was that offers a better deal (similar to the way 'real' air carriers do it--overage leave where you're essentially taking a voluntary redundancy over the time period you choose with chosen start and end days; this varies with degree of pay protection and benefit retention).
Were an individual given preferential treatment with regard to redundancy this would violate the OTHER contracts on bases (which are enforceable via real contract and labor law in the respective countries). As would any punitive action for NOT taking a voluntary scheme (or preferential treatment FOR taking a voluntary scheme) in those countries.
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I will not sign SLS because:
1- My Mortgage lender refused to allow 3 weeks free from payments.
2- My Utility suppliers will not give me 3 weeks free Electricity, Gas, Water etc.
3- Supermarkets are refusing to supply me with 3 weeks shopping.
4- Because it will not make a difference to the company's demise
1- My Mortgage lender refused to allow 3 weeks free from payments.
2- My Utility suppliers will not give me 3 weeks free Electricity, Gas, Water etc.
3- Supermarkets are refusing to supply me with 3 weeks shopping.
4- Because it will not make a difference to the company's demise
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The outburst by the DFO on Yammar yesterday shows what pressure he is under to secure his annual bonus. It doesn't look good that all the other department heads have secured over 80% sign up to SLS and it is noticeable that even the GMA can't boast a 100% return.
What seems to be totally misunderstood ( but more likely ignored ) by senior management is that there is absolutely no trust in senior management by the CX pilot body.
So the DFO could tell me it's Friday afternoon and I wouldn't believe him. It's that simple. CEO doesn't get it and actually he's not interested. He has his shareholders to satisfy and they will get their dividend end of March no matter what and then he gets his bonus. GMA doesn't get it and is pleading "not on my watch" for the transgressions of his predecessors and his bonus is less secure this year and his accent to DFO in jeopardy. Conveniently they jump from Cathay Group to CX to KA, whichever suits their story at the time. If they want to save money, ground KA and let CX do all the work. If they want to make money, fly the pax with the A350's, ground the A330's and let the 777's supplement the freight operation in and out of China. Other carriers like Cargolux are charging 400% markups to take components to USA and Europe while CX stands still. If you want to save money, stop all base training. If you want to save money retire the many hangers on in engineering/stores/admin who are over 60 and retained on special consultancy deals. If you want to save money let your part time sim instructors go. Cashflow is critical we are being told. Really, are we still paying USD6 per can of Coke ? Of course we are because it's to a Swire company. Senior management has cried wolf once too often and when it really counts, when the house might really be falling down their cries are now lost in the wind.
OH, I just checked it is Friday.
What seems to be totally misunderstood ( but more likely ignored ) by senior management is that there is absolutely no trust in senior management by the CX pilot body.
So the DFO could tell me it's Friday afternoon and I wouldn't believe him. It's that simple. CEO doesn't get it and actually he's not interested. He has his shareholders to satisfy and they will get their dividend end of March no matter what and then he gets his bonus. GMA doesn't get it and is pleading "not on my watch" for the transgressions of his predecessors and his bonus is less secure this year and his accent to DFO in jeopardy. Conveniently they jump from Cathay Group to CX to KA, whichever suits their story at the time. If they want to save money, ground KA and let CX do all the work. If they want to make money, fly the pax with the A350's, ground the A330's and let the 777's supplement the freight operation in and out of China. Other carriers like Cargolux are charging 400% markups to take components to USA and Europe while CX stands still. If you want to save money, stop all base training. If you want to save money retire the many hangers on in engineering/stores/admin who are over 60 and retained on special consultancy deals. If you want to save money let your part time sim instructors go. Cashflow is critical we are being told. Really, are we still paying USD6 per can of Coke ? Of course we are because it's to a Swire company. Senior management has cried wolf once too often and when it really counts, when the house might really be falling down their cries are now lost in the wind.
OH, I just checked it is Friday.
Minor point, however.
As you rightly point out Swire own the coke franchise in HKG.
Why do you think that your uniforms are dry cleaned by another Swire company?
Really, are we still paying USD6 per can of Coke ?
Why do you think that your uniforms are dry cleaned by another Swire company?
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It’s kind of like a circular Company Store !
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