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The irony of the 2019 13th month

Old 14th Dec 2019, 09:32
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The irony of the 2019 13th month

Thinking about what has happened since the 3rd quarter and what effects the years profits. Does anyone find it ironic that the company BOUGHT an airline during that time? It also BOUGHT several airframes? What about that huge ad campaign? All the flashy stuff in CXC, i mean really a giant flight tracker in the main lobby... of course they were handing out free mulled wine and cake the other day for office staff lunch!!!

Not to mention the money to make caac go away (ok we can write that off as the loss)... but honest for a company to say its hurting.

Does anyone else feel the irony and bs or is it just me?
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Old 14th Dec 2019, 10:16
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(13th month - 30000) / (13th month + annual salary) x 365 = days owed by the AMP.

Itís that simple, unless stupid.

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Thinking about what has happened since the 3rd quarter and what effects the years profits. Does anyone find it ironic that the company BOUGHT an airline during that time? It also BOUGHT several airframes? What about that huge ad campaign? All the flashy stuff in CXC, i mean really a giant flight tracker in the main lobby... of course they were handing out free mulled wine and cake the other day for office staff lunch!!!

Not to mention the money to make caac go away (ok we can write that off as the loss)... but honest for a company to say its hurting.

Does anyone else feel the irony and bs or is it just me?
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 05:07
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Just do your job as well as you can, step back and have a laugh about the whole thing. Because it truly is comical.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 04:45
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So Firefly - I'll bite - you expect the small number of people who are interested in advancing their careers and take training positions to hold back for how long ?
The plus minus 100 guys interested in training must carry the AOA's entire industrial campaign forever?
You expect these guys to indefinitely sacrifice a substantial pay increase and career advancement to uphold a well failed ban when 3400 other pilots are making little to zero sacrifices to help with the campaign ...well that's a recipe for long term success. Well done to you for judging and the AOA for being willing to saddle a few with all the weight and then sacrifice them as pathetic scabs when after 3 years they've had enough and just get on with their careers...

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:47
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In my opinion these 100 or so new trainers are screwing the rest of us, and they know it.
I wouldnít be surprised if most of them wouldnít even normally be considered for training, weíre it not for the fact that the company was desperate.

The only time we actually had one over on the company and these and we had to f&[email protected] it up...

It was so funny they tried to make it look like they we forced into it hahaha. Well that failed, didnít it?
The company didnít even try to make it look real by trying to rope in people who didnít show interest.

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 14:17
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Missingblade,

Iíll bite.
The companyís dysfunctional FOP department has resulted in a 300% increase in attrition in the past 4 years. The expanded training department with its record number of subservient captains is predominantly employed doing nothing more than replacing those that donít see a career with a broken carrier.

So another way of looking at the issue;
If management could once again make the airline an enviable place to finish oneís career, then the necessity for a bloated training department is completely removed. The ONLY reason you or anyone else is being offered a training position is because of the airlineĎs dysfunction and not because of an expanding pilot body. The greater the capacity of the training department, the lower management can drive career satisfaction. Just remember, your offered promotion is a direct result of a colleagueís broken dream of a career at the airline.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 15:44
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And of course all these broken dream were caused by....wait for it....the ban breakers?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 20:24
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No, i don't think he was talking about that, I think he is talking about the ever decreasing cos, poor rostering, inexplicable management style and direction, that sort of stuff...
The ban-breaking is undermining any power we have to change things for the better.
I know it's all a bit complicated...
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Missing blade you need to change your name to missing screw , joining training in the current situation is screwing your colleagues over well done we are all so proud of you
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It needs to be clearly stated what they have done. They have diverted what money may have been available for all pilots (and their families) to their own pockets. Worse, they have effectively assured that the rest of the pilot group has lost any chance of getting pay or benefit improvements going forward. Ironically, I believe that by them accepting positions in training now, they also undermined the need for the company to pay a full 13th month (but at least the new trainers have their training pay to supplement the $30K the rest of the plebs are getting). I am glad I am no longer subject to the company and it's ways. Sad, and tragic outcome for a once great company.

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Old 17th Dec 2019, 15:42
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With cos 18 being introduced, thanks to existing unions DPA and AOA who did absolutely nothing to resist this from happening, you can expect everyoneís conditions will only go downhill, eventually same level as cos18 folks.
Cos18 folks can expect getting a whole month worth of sim support duty and getting only minimum pay.
Flights can expect unnecessary delays and extended block times by flying slower to make up for cos 18 $ losses. OTP can go down the drain. 👍🏿
Im pretty sure this wont be the only year they are not paying us our full 13th month. Just tweak the formula a little and tell you oh iím sorry, canít pay you in full but please accept 10k, from us exercising our discretion. Love cx

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 00:25
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Spot on. That is a credible prediction of the future. Ably helped along by the TB breakers.
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Old 21st Dec 2019, 16:33
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the only way this company can be sustainable is to merge CX and KA once and for all.
something should have been done ten years ago
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I'm sure he took the stairs to save the company some electricity.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 14:38
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Well D/delight, thereís a big can of worms.

Agree but good luck with that.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
No, i don't think he was talking about that, I think he is talking about the ever decreasing cos, poor rostering, inexplicable management style and direction, that sort of stuff...
The ban-breaking is undermining any power we have to change things for the better.
I know it's all a bit complicated...
Right on the money for my vote.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 16:29
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the only way this company can be sustainable is to merge CX and KA once and for all.
something should have been done ten years ago
Agreed! Solve any shortage of pilots and training resources in the near to medium terms. Get them up to speed on A350, leave a small contingent to push the A320 operation to HKE and be done with it. Then, CX can stop hiring these ridiculous NJers willing to accept anything because they arenít even pilots. Perhaps use the extra training to hire DEFOs on the bases that cannot be staffed by those currently on the seniority list and get some decent experience. CX is like a loaded freight train barreling towards a vehicle disabled on the tracks. Itís just a matter of time. Strong captains are keeping this airline safe. That wonít always be the case. Itís pretty simple math.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 22:40
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post

Agreed! Solve any shortage of pilots and training resources in the near to medium terms. Get them up to speed on A350, leave a small contingent to push the A320 operation to HKE and be done with it. Then, CX can stop hiring these ridiculous NJers willing to accept anything because they arenít even pilots. Perhaps use the extra training to hire DEFOs on the bases that cannot be staffed by those currently on the seniority list and get some decent experience. CX is like a loaded freight train barreling towards a vehicle disabled on the tracks. Itís just a matter of time. Strong captains are keeping this airline safe. That wonít always be the case. Itís pretty simple math.
But thats too expensive
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 23:01
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But thats too expensive
Whatís expensive is plonking in a perfectly good airplane with 300-400 passengers on it because the bean counters hijacked pilot hiring. But keep drooling into that iPad NJers... Thatíll keep you safe!
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Originally Posted by Dragon_Delight View Post
the only way this company can be sustainable is to merge CX and KA once and for all.
something should have been done ten years ago
Totally agree, it would have to be a brutal cut and dry merge with a seniority list purely based on DOJ anything else just gets complicated, yes itís sucks merging lists but at least itís transparent (not something you see in CX and the more complicated it is the more opportunity CX has to create loopholes dividing the crews), the long term effect should be a better career. At the same time they could put the vacancy bidding system in place once again with a transparent seniority list itís not complicated giving us more lifestyle choices and a career with a future we can predict. Is it April 1st sadly I must be dreaming. Imagine the AOA/DPA approaching the GMA weíve agreed on a DOJ combined seniority list effective January 1st 2020 all positions based on a VBS 😂 DEFOs go where no one opts to.

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