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AOAE sells out.

Old 12th Dec 2019, 01:19
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AOAE sells out.

Not even a year has passed since the HKAOA attempted to sell out its membership with a miserable proposal that was inevitably rejected by 80% of the membership. The union was in a position where they could have used this leverage to forge a new path forward. Instead history may look back at this moment as the downfall of the AOA. The leadership who was hell bent on trying to ram this down the memberships throats dug their heals in and fought the very group they are meant to represent.

Now an update from AOAE mirrors the exact sentiment of what happened in 2018 in Hong Kong. The recommendation of this pay deal with conditions to abandon their allies is appalling. The offer should have been flat out rejected.

it is clear that something needs to changed. To many in the AOA have been in their position for far to long. The membership no longer has confidence in their actions and it’s time to take control of our future before there is no future left.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 13:46
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So you will be putting your hands up for the Committee and changing things? If so, I wish you luck. Get a bunch of your mates to do the same.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 00:30
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it’s hardly surprising with the self-interest that comes from the top of the AOAE GC.

Anyone care to share the update?

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So you will be putting your hands up for the Committee and changing things? If so, I wish you luck. Get a bunch of your mates to do the same.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 12:33
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So, by voting yes we get:

More money.
No more being in contract compliance over HKPA. Something which should have never happened anyway. To all you idiots that signed that inferior contract: sort it out yourselves !!
And we will finally be standing on our own by being separated from that clown show called HKAOA.

This vote really is a no-brainer, isn't it....
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Old 26th Dec 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by BalloonBuster View Post
So, by voting yes we get:

More money.
No more being in contract compliance over HKPA. Something which should have never happened anyway. To all you idiots that signed that inferior contract: sort it out yourselves !!
And we will finally be standing on our own by being separated from that clown show called HKAOA.

This vote really is a no-brainer, isn't it....
What is amazing is that it's taken this long for the based Unions to start fu*king over HKAOA members. The based unions (who wouldn't actually even be here if it wasn't for a Hong Kong Airline) have the leverage through the courts to get whatever they want at the expense of Hong Kong. The Australian base crew getting all the long patterns to Europe is the tip of the iceberg. Expect AOAE to come up with similar.
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Old 26th Dec 2019, 17:01
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Anyone thinking they are going to get more salary and "improved " COS are way way way too late.. That ship sailed 10 years ago and in the last 6 months; sank !!
Any reference to improvements will be punch lines in comedy routines to get a laugh..

Truth sucks...

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Old 26th Dec 2019, 17:41
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Improvements?? Everyone of us can expect further erosion to our terms and conditions. What is happening now in HK is the perfect storm of opportunity to extract more concessions from the most divided pilot group in the history of aviation. Sorry if that's not pleasing, but it is the truth. If there was any doubt about the value of a career in CX, that is now ended. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see the iceberg just ahead of this Titanic.

(oh, and Pickuptruck, the based unions aren't f*cking over the HK pilots, the company is f*cking over the HK pilots. The based pilots are simply using what leverage they have to improve and protect their conditions, just like we would here in HK if we had any self respect and balls).
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 02:07
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So the AOAE does it's own thing, the Canadians moved away a while ago, members are leaving in droves, the training ban is broken Contract compliance is a joke...and you still think that the company is to blame...Out of all of those items there is only one common thread...maybe the HKAOA is the problem with their dogma determination to continue to dig in its current position!
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 02:15
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Not the AOA but RF and his “in house legal”

Whilst the based unions have all the power there is always the “agree to this or we will close the base” sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

Lets see what the Aussies come up with in the next few weeks.

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So the AOAE does it's own thing, the Canadians moved away a while ago, members are leaving in droves, the training ban is broken Contract compliance is a joke...and you still think that the company is to blame...Out of all of those items there is only one common thread...maybe the HKAOA is the problem with their dogma determination to continue to dig in its current position!

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 03:04
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Let's see what the Aussies come up with in the next few weeks.
you won't have to wait long.
Their voting on the offer started around 19 Dec.
It seems the results should be known around 30 Dec.
From what I hear, the nominal pay and hdp changes were minuscule, and the close to 2 missing years were not to be backdated.
There were significant degradation and changes to medical, which anecdotally appear to be why a few Aust Base guys I chatted to as they passed through hk last week, indicated unanimously that they were all in the 'No' camp.
So the likely result, based on that small cross section sounds like a convincing thank you for coming but no.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 03:56
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Frank...when was the last time you pitch up at dispatch knowing your flight had changed and that flight was consequently delayed or cancelled? Come on, it does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that CC has zero effect on the day to day operation...even with a red traffic light!
The GC can’t even be bothered to reply to the multiple company requests to restart pay negotiations, you can see all of the letters on the HUB.

The one thing you are right about is that it is up to the individual to decide if they are going to stay or leave, it has always been that way at CX so now surprises there.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 10:46
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What we need is a complete clean slate and brand new ideas rather than sticking to the failed ideas of the past.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Frogman1484 View Post
What we need is a complete clean slate and brand new ideas rather than sticking to the failed ideas of the past.
Equally true of Mrs Lam's administration!
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Old 28th Dec 2019, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Frogman1484 View Post
What we need is a complete clean slate and brand new ideas rather than sticking to the failed ideas of the past.
Actually some of the failed ideas of the past were a direct result of the pilot body not sticking with the imposed sanctions. The problem lies firmly with the pilot body. The GC is hindered by the weak unity the pilot body displays. Until this union is United, which is laughable, nothing will ever change. Just resign and get your own pay rise.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 07:19
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The union should be attacking the Cos18 at every turn, stop the guys from joining, not hurting he guys that are here already. There are many ways the AOA could be discouraging new joiners.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 07:49
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Frog, have you learnt nothing from history? If we can’t grow a dick collectively and fight from within, we are destined to wither on the vine.
What you going to do, give them the cold shoulder?
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 14:52
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Maybe the CX pilots can conscript people with courage to strike for them. No strike, no change. Can not ask others to do your heavy lifting.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 15:11
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Originally Posted by pill View Post
Frog, have you learnt nothing from history? If we can’t grow a dick collectively and fight from within, we are destined to wither on the vine.
What you going to do, give them the cold shoulder?
..."we are destined to wither on the vine"....? I would say we HAVE withered on the vine. It's too late. The airline is broken and the future is COS18. The latest "commuting" proposal clearly shows you how the quality of life on any contract on any base is only going to get worse.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 03:54
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Makes the new TCCs luminaries!


Originally Posted by Apple Tree Yard View Post
..."we are destined to wither on the vine"....? I would say we HAVE withered on the vine. It's too late. The airline is broken and the future is COS18. The latest "commuting" proposal clearly shows you how the quality of life on any contract on any base is only going to get worse.
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 13:42
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I think the jellyfish is more fishing for a union bust attempt with he last remarks rather than a sellout

"I appreciate that an increasing number of you are not members of the HKAOA"
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