Is CX still a good choice for new pilot?
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I would much rather live in HK doing 3 trips a month for CAD 130,000 than 6 legs a day in a Q for CAD 36,000. The houses here are also 2M, not much different from HK, really, except the salary is 1/3, and the tax is double. Also, you'll need a car in Canada, so after the expenses, you'll have about 50 cents left to put in your savings account. Can you see the problem? Even the first-year SO salary exceeds the 5th year AC salary, assuming you can even get the job.
Graveyard? Why is that.
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CoS18 has to die. It’s simply embarrassing that guys are accepting this, a true abortion of a contract. The guaranteed salary is not livable in HK, not with any reasonable standard of living. Single? Maybe. Hitched? Hope s/he has a decent paying job. Kids? Forget about it. I feel sorry for guys and gals on this deal. It’s one thing not to have housing. This is a joke, and you’re a joke if you accept it. It’s D scale, at best!
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Can't fix stupid.
Cathay has cast it's existence on foolish kids who don't do their homework. Mr Cooked Goose will be just another in a long line of wanabees who sit and moan about the old guys who did nothing to protect new joiners. Can't wait for the endless bitching about how the recruiters sold them on a crap deal.
Cathay has cast it's existence on foolish kids who don't do their homework. Mr Cooked Goose will be just another in a long line of wanabees who sit and moan about the old guys who did nothing to protect new joiners. Can't wait for the endless bitching about how the recruiters sold them on a crap deal.
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Can't fix stupid.
Cathay has cast it's existence on foolish kids who don't do their homework. Mr Cooked Goose will be just another in a long line of wanabees who sit and moan about the old guys who did nothing to protect new joiners. Can't wait for the endless bitching about how the recruiters sold them on a crap deal.
Cathay has cast it's existence on foolish kids who don't do their homework. Mr Cooked Goose will be just another in a long line of wanabees who sit and moan about the old guys who did nothing to protect new joiners. Can't wait for the endless bitching about how the recruiters sold them on a crap deal.
What about spending another 15,000 on an instructor's rating to make CAD15,000-20,000 a year? And have to have a second job and work 7 days a week just to pay your rent.
What about making it through the above to finally end up at a regional that ends up paying you CAD 36,000 a year, which is only 15% higher than the legal minimum wage?!!
Crap deal? SO salary is a dream, even if it was 30% less, it would be better than anything I could possibly imagine.
House prices in HKG? Who cares, I'm never going to own a home in Canada either, I can barely pay my rent. If I can even just save a thousand dollars a month my life would be so much better than it is now.
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I am not interested in bush flying at all, and definitely not interested in living in the Arctic. Westjet and Air Canada would be great, now that we can all agree on..!
I would much rather live in HK doing 3 trips a month for CAD 130,000 than 6 legs a day in a Q for CAD 36,000. The houses here are also 2M, not much different from HK, really, except the salary is 1/3, and the tax is double. Also, you'll need a car in Canada, so after the expenses, you'll have about 50 cents left to put in your savings account. Can you see the problem? Even the first-year SO salary exceeds the 5th year AC salary, assuming you can even get the job.
Graveyard? Why is that.
I would much rather live in HK doing 3 trips a month for CAD 130,000 than 6 legs a day in a Q for CAD 36,000. The houses here are also 2M, not much different from HK, really, except the salary is 1/3, and the tax is double. Also, you'll need a car in Canada, so after the expenses, you'll have about 50 cents left to put in your savings account. Can you see the problem? Even the first-year SO salary exceeds the 5th year AC salary, assuming you can even get the job.
Graveyard? Why is that.
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And then on your unpaid reserve you’ll get called out to crew-up in the sim cos you’re the one that doesn’t get paid for that either. It’ll be the middle of the night too so you’ll have to get a taxi to work and you can’t claim that back.
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These post by cxe and gmedx are soo true! Exact same feelings I get about them. Please read the above posters all that is true and im not even on the variable pay cos18!
We dont get parking spots anywhere (assuming you can afford a car) , no public transport after midnight, the costs of these sims add up. Get a while month of crew up or you initial sims ... pay up!
We dont get parking spots anywhere (assuming you can afford a car) , no public transport after midnight, the costs of these sims add up. Get a while month of crew up or you initial sims ... pay up!
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lol
I see the wannabes deep in denial and it reminds me of a couple of kids standing on a bridge overlooking a river with a whole bunch of ice chunks in it. With a sign that says "Danger--no swimming."
"I'm gonna go swimming"
"Don't do it -- that water is really really cold"
"No it's not, and I'm used to cold water."
"You will drown -- if you jump in there I can't help you and you'll never make it to shore"
"You don't know what your'e talking about and I know what I'm doing. I'm used to the cold."
"Fine--then jump. I DARE YA."
I see the wannabes deep in denial and it reminds me of a couple of kids standing on a bridge overlooking a river with a whole bunch of ice chunks in it. With a sign that says "Danger--no swimming."
"I'm gonna go swimming"
"Don't do it -- that water is really really cold"
"No it's not, and I'm used to cold water."
"You will drown -- if you jump in there I can't help you and you'll never make it to shore"
"You don't know what your'e talking about and I know what I'm doing. I'm used to the cold."
"Fine--then jump. I DARE YA."
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Crap deal? SO salary is a dream, even if it was 30% less, it would be better than anything I could possibly imagine.
House prices in HKG? Who cares, I'm never going to own a home in Canada either, I can barely pay my rent. If I can even just save a thousand dollars a month my life would be so much better than it is now.
House prices in HKG? Who cares, I'm never going to own a home in Canada either, I can barely pay my rent. If I can even just save a thousand dollars a month my life would be so much better than it is now.
As Bokpiel says the industry is not what it once was, and it will only get worse before we are replaced completely by automation. In the meantime accidents (due to poorly trained/inexperienced crews inadequately responding to unusual situations which require actual flying skills and hard-earned experience) will occur ever more often, driving the regulators and public to push for ever more automation...
This is why the one thing I suggest to junior crew joining nowadays is to cater for a plan B outside of flying, as I don’t think anyone under forty today will see a full career as a pilot. As for us old f@rts, we can count ourselves lucky we saw a full and half-decent career at all: I’m sure glad I’m not starting out now.
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Plan B!!! They can’t even come up with a decent Plan A. I suppose moving back in with your parents is an option for this generation that we never even considered as adults.
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You can all bitch about new joiners as much as you want.
The truth is, there is only one to blame for the never ending downward spiral of decreasing contracts in Cathay Pacific - the pilots, because they never fight back.
The ex-gratia payment is being constructed in a way that it represents the equivalent of a 13th month for most employees, except the pilot group.
That is not a coincidence.
13th month is not being paid to the pilot group because they can.
The truth is, there is only one to blame for the never ending downward spiral of decreasing contracts in Cathay Pacific - the pilots, because they never fight back.
The ex-gratia payment is being constructed in a way that it represents the equivalent of a 13th month for most employees, except the pilot group.
That is not a coincidence.
13th month is not being paid to the pilot group because they can.
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The question is to what extent will safety be compromised ?
Other airlines keep their aircraft in the air with inexperienced guys as well.
The risk assessment probably concluded that 10+ years of experience of flying as an SO/FO starting with zero hours would be sufficient to become a Cathay Captain in the future.
Worst case the convenience exists to blame pilot error as the root cause of an accident and not a decision, which was made 15 years ago by someone in the office.
Other airlines keep their aircraft in the air with inexperienced guys as well.
The risk assessment probably concluded that 10+ years of experience of flying as an SO/FO starting with zero hours would be sufficient to become a Cathay Captain in the future.
Worst case the convenience exists to blame pilot error as the root cause of an accident and not a decision, which was made 15 years ago by someone in the office.
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You folks are right. CX pilots are the biggest blowhards you will ever encounter. Big tuff guys who will do nothing when it is time to fight. They historically ask the outsider to do the dirty work. I know, left after 14 years.
I will tell you. It's a toxic place to be. I fell for the palace on the hill too. It quickly turns to crap. Aided by small penis and pasty skinned aussies and brits. All willing to stab a fellow aviator in the back for $$.
I will tell you. It's a toxic place to be. I fell for the palace on the hill too. It quickly turns to crap. Aided by small penis and pasty skinned aussies and brits. All willing to stab a fellow aviator in the back for $$.
