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HK Government just doesn't get it

Old 15th Nov 2019, 14:15
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The younger generation of Hong Kongers (and a few older folk who ought to know better) have proven that they will resort to extreme violence in order to achieve their ‘demands’.

In the name of ‘Freedom’ they will severely limit the freedoms of the vast majority of Hong Kong citizens by disrupting transportation and destroying infrastructure. In the name of ‘Democracy’ they will violently assault anyone and everyone who voices out against them or has a difference of opinion. You can’t make it up.

And if they force China to interfere they will have accomplished overnight what would otherwise not happen until 2047. I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed such a large group of complete and utter idiots anywhere else.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 19:57
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I’m kinda supporting the protesters. As a crew nember who regularly is forced to overnight in Beijing and another 8 or so Chinese cities, its demeaning to see the way crew are harassed. Girls marched into darkened rooms. Strip searches, looking for the clues to see if the crew member is a hk protester sympathiser, or has any association with their causes and motives

Fighting for freedom is quite different from receiving a salary for a job most expats do in hk, then go to the pub. Or watch nowTV or net flicks.

I was young once, had ambition & aspirations . Living in a 500 sq foot space with parents and grand parents , at the age of 35 must really suck. While the rest of hk establishment ( inc CX in this) boast about their hard times on their privileged incomes.

I give my support

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 06:44
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[QUOTE=TheGreenDragon;10620622]
I’m kinda supporting the protesters. As a crew nember who regularly is forced to overnight in Beijing and another 8 or so Chinese cities, its demeaning to see the way crew are harassed. Girls marched into darkened rooms. Strip searches, looking for the clues to see if the crew member is a hk protester sympathiser, or has any association with their causes and motives

Fighting for freedom is quite different from receiving a salary for a job most expats do in hk, then go to the pub. Or watch nowTV or net flicks.

I was young once, had ambition & aspirations . Living in a 500 sq foot space with parents and grand parents , at the age of 35 must really suck. While the rest of hk establishment ( inc CX in this) boast about their hard times on their privileged incomes.

I give my support

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I have just asked a KA SP if this was happening. She looked at the post and said “no way its paranoia”
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 07:58
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For a group that wants a democratic Hong Kong, the protesters are not very good at stomaching people having other opinions.
If you clean up the road, you get beaten up, if you voice another opinion, you get beaten up, or set on fire.
I really get the feeling that this is more about anarchy, than democracy, and a little sprinkle of living GTA in real life, I get it, it's fun to break stuff.
One of the demands states that the protesters are to be let free unconditionally out of prison.
What about the guy that set that man on fire? Or the man that threw the brick at the old man's head? They are to be let out of prison too (if we ever catch them)?
The whole movement is very binary, if you're not with them, you're against them, and they seem hellbent on burning down the city to see what will happen.
It is my city too and this should not be allowed.
Economy is tanking, people are losing their jobs. It's all fine and dandy for the protesters since they don't have families to support.
I'm not pro-China either or pro-police, as they are, in some cases, far too heavy handed.

I suspect Hong Kong is being used as a pawn in the trade war between the USA and China, and this is why the protesters are getting monetary and media support.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 09:37
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I suspect that Beijing isn't too happy with events in HK but as long as they don't spread to the rest of the country there is some mileage in letting things run - it shows people that a capitalist society isn't all roses, it means business will bypass HK and go direct to China proper and there is nothing like the threat of anarchy to eventually bring about a severe, local reaction.

Mr Xi meanwhile doesn't get branded as an oppressor or butcher but as a (fairly ) reasonable man allowing "devolved govt" run things - badly admittedly.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
The whole movement is very binary, if you're not with them, you're against them
Doesn't that apply to more and more of the world these days? (Trump, Brexit, Catalonia, etc). I think the problem is the internet and the ability it gives for anyone to post anything, however extreme, false or offensive it is. When these things got filtered through the media and publishing houses it encouraged moderation. But I can't see the world turning off the internet, so I guess it just needs a bit more time for things to adjust.

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 10:10
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Whilst I don’t think we’ll see tanks in the streets, I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to stage an incident, such as shooting a police officer, and use it as an excuse for mass internment of the ringleaders who will end up in prison camps in remote regions of western China.

Britain used internment in Northern Ireland in 1971 and ended up putting 20 000 troops on the streets when it was becoming apparent that they were losing control in the province.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 15:29
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The way things are going they may not have to STAGE an incident - it might happen anyway - firing arrows at people is dangerous
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
The way things are going they may not have to STAGE an incident - it might happen anyway - firing arrows at people is dangerous
Is it the protesters firing the arrows?............Could it be Beijing employed imposters to make the protesters look like the culprits? Just sayin!
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 22:47
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Is it the protesters firing the arrows?............Could it be Beijing employed imposters to make the protesters look like the culprits? Just sayin!
Another idiot post. So you're saying that in amongst the hundreds of protestors at PolyU standing together. That those with bow and arrows standing in amongst the protest crowd are actually Chinese imposters (chatting away in Mandarin). And you think that the guy who was set alight and is fighting for his life actually spontaneously combusted like the protestors are saying......... And you fly a big plane for a living (or don't)
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 05:08
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
One of the demands states that the protesters are to be let free unconditionally out of prison.
What about the guy that set that man on fire? Or the man that threw the brick at the old man's head? They are to be let out of prison too (if we ever catch them)?
I could be wrong, but I believe the demand you are referring to is for people who were arrested simply for protesting to be released, not for people arrested for things in addition or other than protesting.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 07:18
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Originally Posted by hkgcanuck View Post
I could be wrong, but I believe the demand you are referring to is for people who were arrested simply for protesting to be released, not for people arrested for things in addition or other than protesting.

There are two related demands. One is for the protests not to be prosecuted as riots, the other is for those arrested in the context of the protests to be unconditionally released.

So vandalism during a protest (smashing up a shop, or burning MTR station) they want amnesty for.

Society though depends on the state having a legal monopoly on violence and coercion. Get rid of that, and you have a failed state
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 07:28
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Stunning that after being told to leave the PolyU they put down their bags but with the help of "Journalists" hid Fire Bombs and tried to light and throw them when they passed the barricades on the way out and got close enough to Police. If the rioters don't all get charged for their actions this will never end.

Meanwhile parents arrive and plead that their sons never did anything wrong.......
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
There are two related demands. One is for the protests not to be prosecuted as riots, the other is for those arrested in the context of the protests to be unconditionally released.

So vandalism during a protest (smashing up a shop, or burning MTR station) they want amnesty for.
Source please?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck View Post
Another idiot post. So you're saying that in amongst the hundreds of protestors at PolyU standing together. That those with bow and arrows standing in amongst the protest crowd are actually Chinese imposters (chatting away in Mandarin). And you think that the guy who was set alight and is fighting for his life actually spontaneously combusted like the protestors are saying......... And you fly a big plane for a living (or don't)
‘Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’ George Santayana.

Do you also think that someone from northern China is not capable of learning Cantonese?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 09:16
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https://yp.scmp.com/hongkongprotests5demands

Demands 3 and 4
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 12:26
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Originally Posted by fl610 View Post
‘Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’ George Santayana.

Do you also think that someone from northern China is not capable of learning Cantonese?
Another idiot. The police found 8,000 bombs when they searched the universities, guess your buddies were set to burn Hong Kong to the ground. They had to have their HKG ID info taken before they could leave.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 15:34
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Wha ?

Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
I suspect that Beijing isn't too happy with events in HK but as long as they don't spread to the rest of the country there is some mileage in letting things run - it shows people that a capitalist society isn't all roses, it means business will bypass HK and go direct to China proper and there is nothing like the threat of anarchy to eventually bring about a severe, local reaction.

Mr Xi meanwhile doesn't get branded as an oppressor or butcher but as a (fairly ) reasonable man allowing "devolved govt" run things - badly admittedly.
I like the way you used "Devolved Government". That said, I don't believe "1 Country 2 Systems" in its original form, "implied" that HK govt would be "devolved " re the Mainland Communist Party however it was obvious from day 1 that every Chief Executive and senior government official were vetted and rubber stamped by Beijing "prior" to any "elections"! If you can call them that...
HK has suffered at the hands of Puppet leaders since 1997, period.. It's the way it is and if you think differently you don't have sufficient lateral thought processes capabilities to operate an aircraft. Any big "Hong" leader (eg CX CEO's, Exec Dir ) in Hong Kong are now of the same ilk and suffer the same fate... Puppets gaged by fear (cowardice).

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Old 19th Nov 2019, 19:56
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Talking

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Another idiot. The police found 8,000 bombs when they searched the universities, guess your buddies were set to burn Hong Kong to the ground. They had to have their HKG ID info taken before they could leave.
Well I suggest that you stop arguing with me. I’ll only drag you down to my level and then beat you with experience.
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
For a group that wants a democratic Hong Kong, the protesters are not very good at stomaching people having other opinions.
If you clean up the road, you get beaten up, if you voice another opinion, you get beaten up, or set on fire.
I really get the feeling that this is more about anarchy, than democracy, and a little sprinkle of living GTA in real life, I get it, it's fun to break stuff.
One of the demands states that the protesters are to be let free unconditionally out of prison.
What about the guy that set that man on fire? Or the man that threw the brick at the old man's head? They are to be let out of prison too (if we ever catch them)?
The whole movement is very binary, if you're not with them, you're against them, and they seem hellbent on burning down the city to see what will happen.
It is my city too and this should not be allowed.
Economy is tanking, people are losing their jobs. It's all fine and dandy for the protesters since they don't have families to support.
I'm not pro-China either or pro-police, as they are, in some cases, far too heavy handed.

I suspect Hong Kong is being used as a pawn in the trade war between the USA and China, and this is why the protesters are getting monetary and media support.
love it how you pick out the 2 things that the pro-Beijing side suffer yet failed to mention things like police mowing down people with van causing a stampede, ppl getting stabbed for posting posters in a tunnel.....

Seem like you are not aware that one of the themes of the protest is 'if we burn, you burn with us'..... the purpose is to tank the economy, thus in turn hurting the Chinese economy....

As to protestors don't have families to support? where did you get this? just an example, how about the fireman who was arrested? He's got a pregnant wife to feed too...
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