Any way to verfiy someone was "CAT D" on their upgrade?
A few guys have been Cat "D" (unsuitable for Command) but subsequently given a chance (and presumably some decent Training) and passed the Course. Doesn't always work out well.
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Cat D at CX. Now Capt at a major US airline.
As PE told me. US airlines have low standards.
What a ass!!
The challenges I face on a daily basis are far greater than the made up RT issues CX seemed to fret about.
Good luck to
you all. Politics at CX is everything.
As PE told me. US airlines have low standards.
What a ass!!
The challenges I face on a daily basis are far greater than the made up RT issues CX seemed to fret about.
Good luck to
you all. Politics at CX is everything.
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Congratulations and well done DropKnee.
Examples such as yours are evidence of how out of touch, with individual exceptions, the CX training system really is.
Emphasis is on checking rather than training. Talk about a firm grip on the non essential.
Not expecting any improvement with the new pick me, training ban defying individuals going through at the moment.
Examples such as yours are evidence of how out of touch, with individual exceptions, the CX training system really is.
Emphasis is on checking rather than training. Talk about a firm grip on the non essential.
Not expecting any improvement with the new pick me, training ban defying individuals going through at the moment.
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No, not true. We have problems yes. But most guys fail for a reason when you actually LOOK. There’s always a reason, in most cases the trainee has issues or stuff something up on the line or in the sim.....in some, yes the system lets them down.
Nothing is perfect, I’m not a fan of the star chamber either.
Nothing is perfect, I’m not a fan of the star chamber either.
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Exactly, they took the best flying job in the world and destroyed it. Most of it because of petty bs.
May those who wish to move on get the opportunity to do so. For those that stay. Best of luck in making positive changes.
May those who wish to move on get the opportunity to do so. For those that stay. Best of luck in making positive changes.
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When was the last time you blamed your own incompetence for failure of a trainee? Ever?
No, not true. We have problems yes. But most guys fail for a reason when you actually LOOK. There’s always a reason, in most cases the trainee has issues or stuff something up on the line or in the sim.....in some, yes the system lets them down.
Nothing is perfect, I’m not a fan of the star chamber either.
Nothing is perfect, I’m not a fan of the star chamber either.
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I remember a story of a guy who failed his command. Temp increased by one as they were given lineup clearance for a TOGA takeoff. Candidate said as they were already crossing the hold line, lets go. Trainer once convinced the guy would actually takeoff under such "dangerous" circumstances called him out saying how what he was doing was illegal and dangerous. Trainer then assumed control and took off!!!! WTF is that about, dangerous operator or words to that effect were written in the report.
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Sloppy joe exactly it’s a story nothing more , I don’t believe a word of it . Some of the checkers may be more pedantic than others but I have always found them to be fair if you do the job that is required of you to an acceptable standard .
the same cannot be said of management who are ready willing and able to slip the knife in at almost any opportunity, classic example was the self reporting system . We aren’t going to take action against those that self report we were assured
Believe that at your peril
the same cannot be said of management who are ready willing and able to slip the knife in at almost any opportunity, classic example was the self reporting system . We aren’t going to take action against those that self report we were assured
Believe that at your peril
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OP. You should know better than that. There are trainers we all know who never miss the chance to screw a person. Maybe it’s pure bigotry on their parts.
Just know that a system that has had failure rates above %50 at times. Would be investigated by the FAA.
CX is rotting from the inside. Pherhaps it’s just the cycle of life. Companies can’t live for ever.
Just know that a system that has had failure rates above %50 at times. Would be investigated by the FAA.
CX is rotting from the inside. Pherhaps it’s just the cycle of life. Companies can’t live for ever.
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Course for Command with an "approved" Senior FO known to the Company for 10-15 years before getting the promotion. How many sectors would that guy/gal need? Maybe 2 or 3 Sims plus about 10 sectors?
Average number of sectors on CX course exceeds 60 FFS! No wonder they have a failure rate higher than normal - they're probably nitpicked into oblivion already!!
Ridiculous.
Ex CX Training Manager went to BA Freighters (GSS) and set the Command course there at 15 sectors if my memory serves.
Average number of sectors on CX course exceeds 60 FFS! No wonder they have a failure rate higher than normal - they're probably nitpicked into oblivion already!!
Ridiculous.
Ex CX Training Manager went to BA Freighters (GSS) and set the Command course there at 15 sectors if my memory serves.
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Mate of mine reminds me of t he time we both worked for a Company that had no idea what "Training" meant but embraced the "Testing" mentality. They looked at an EX RedArrow, SQ Ldr and Team Manager but failed him for lacking in Leadership. Honestly. He left, joined another but more decent outfit and was in the LHS within six months of joining. For CX in the glory days where,simply to "get in" was a major career success, all FO's were potential Commanders. RHS to LHS should just be a seat swop with tailoring dependent on time spent in the RHS. But the power mad bully-boys would hate that, eh ?
Yes some guys get screwed over by the system no doubt about it including a good friend of mine, but a lot fail because they weren’t prepared. Sitting in the RHS for 10 years is no guarantee you’ll breeze through the course. You have to actually do something.
End of story.......
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Mate of mine reminds me of t he time we both worked for a Company that had no idea what "Training" meant but embraced the "Testing" mentality. They looked at an EX RedArrow, SQ Ldr and Team Manager but failed him for lacking in Leadership. Honestly. He left, joined another but more decent outfit and was in the LHS within six months of joining. For CX in the glory days where,simply to "get in" was a major career success, all FO's were potential Commanders. RHS to LHS should just be a seat swop with tailoring dependent on time spent in the RHS. But the power mad bully-boys would hate that, eh ?
Yes all well and good. The command course, even in those days, was still roughly 60 sectors. So draconian that you just wanted to fail and get a decent nights sleep. During that time you’d peaked twice, and forgotten why you’d started. If the mem sahib was still hanging around added bonus.
Plus ça change.
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Strangely though a bunch of people are still passing the course so it is not an impossible achievement . I agree with ACMS sitting in the right seat for 10 years twiddling your thumbs does not prepare you for the command course and a number of guys don’t use that time wisely .It requires a lot of hard work over a long period
There were a few former Red Arrows who joined CX that didn’t make the grade , not because they couldn’t fly but because they could not adapt to a multi crew concept . I was the relief pilot on a training sector with one of these guys , the STC was being totally normal with his input , but the trainee was having none of it , who was this captain to tell him how it should be done ? after all he was part of the Red Arrows and knew everything about aviation .
Was I surprised when he was eventually let go , absolutely not !
is the command course easy , hell no . But if you put in the work and keep your mind on the job you will get through .
There were a few former Red Arrows who joined CX that didn’t make the grade , not because they couldn’t fly but because they could not adapt to a multi crew concept . I was the relief pilot on a training sector with one of these guys , the STC was being totally normal with his input , but the trainee was having none of it , who was this captain to tell him how it should be done ? after all he was part of the Red Arrows and knew everything about aviation .
Was I surprised when he was eventually let go , absolutely not !
is the command course easy , hell no . But if you put in the work and keep your mind on the job you will get through .
