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HK extradition bill

Old 12th Jun 2019, 06:21
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HK extradition bill

So if we go around weather in China without a clearance (due to a cannot from ATC) and penetrate military airspace, land in HKG..... I guess we could be extradited to the mainland?? A mate who flies for China Southern, did this and was arrested. He avoided jail time by accepting a loss of license, deportation back to Canada and banned from flying again in Chinese airspace (under any license).
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 06:33
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As an interested observer and Hong Kong resident I was wondering when FH would pick up on the most important issue to hit the HK streets since 1997. Or even 1989.

If you hold HK residency this affects you. It is not just for other ranks, this includes pilots. Think about it.



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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:08
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Looks like you’re all finally living in “interesting times”. I did wonder how long it would take.

How would one defend TB and CC in a mainland court?
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:17
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Declare a PAN and do what you have to.......ATC will then allow it.....

that’s what I’m told anyway!!

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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:32
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Declare a PAN and do what you have to.......ATC will then allow it.....
I have done that and No repercussions.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 09:23
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Agreed. That's what I did when the Chinese ATC ret**ds wouldn't allow me to deviate around weather. You're covered. Don't fly into China any more. Life is good.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 12:24
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Originally Posted by lucille View Post
Looks like you’re all finally living in “interesting times”. I did wonder how long it would take.

How would one defend TB and CC in a mainland court?
One couldn’t. And we enjoy a lot of freedoms here and long may it continue. Just got to hope no one takes a sledgehammer to a walnut.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 14:45
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It's important to note that the extradition law extends to people of all nationalities, not just HK natives: the proposed changes to expand the extradition arrangement to Mainland China would have the effect of enabling the handover of persons in the territory of Hong Kong, be they residents of Hong Kong, persons travelling to or working in Hong Kong, or persons merely in transit, as well as materials carried by them or in their possession. "

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/06/0...s-open-letter/

Why the hell would you even fly through Hong Kong? When are the Swire boys going to wake up and pull Carrie into line. Unless they really really don't want an airline with any passengers? But God forbid someone smashes a window at PP1...
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 10:05
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Also be careful =when you make derogatory comments towards a local, you never know who they know across the border.....unless you have never been to China, otherwise they can always make something up.....
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 10:58
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As Kyle Bass details, much of the big money is already packing up and leaving.
That Hong Kong enjoyed a lot of trade and finance presence was due to the overhang of British law.

Detention and disappearing can happen to anyone if this thing passes,

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Old 14th Jun 2019, 11:31
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" the proposed changes to expand the extradition arrangement to Mainland China would have the effect of enabling the handover of persons in the territory of Hong Kong, be they residents of Hong Kong, persons travelling to or working in Hong Kong, or persons merely in transit, as well as materials carried by them or in their possession"

Sounds like they got advice from the USA - same rules apply there to people in transit.........
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 11:58
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Originally Posted by hyg View Post
Also be careful =when you make derogatory comments towards a local, you never know who they know across the border.....unless you have never been to China, otherwise they can always make something up.....
and I am told on the line that all locals are protecting themselves ever since a recent CRM issue which cost one's career dramatically....until justice is delivered.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 13:59
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Originally Posted by sawadecup View Post
and I am told on the line that all locals are protecting themselves ever since a recent CRM issue which cost one's career dramatically....until justice is delivered.
Sorry, what CRM issue? Protecting themselves with what/from what?
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 21:26
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This is a very worrying development , anyone posting anything online that is considered offensive could find themselves spirited away to stand trial in the mainland
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 04:18
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I believe this will pan out to be Hong Kong’s end game. Civil disobedience and confrontation with the intransigent authorities. Eventual escalation will result in troops on the streets. By invitation of the HK Police of course.
Bang Bang, 50 shot dead. Martial law. How will we explain this to our pampered expat children, so naive in their upbringing ?
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 07:47
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All over red rover.......indefinitely on hold...

People power, now can we hire some of them to help the HKAOA.?
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:12
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captain8, raising pampered, naive children is down to their parents.

more fool you...

I preferred to breed survivors
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 21:09
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It's nothing new - we're just specs on the line of time - but perhaps too many fail to understand that 20 years is s really, really long time.

From the outside, the world has changed dramatically since 1999. Low cost carriers, end of imperialism, a slide in the status of pilots, union decay and the rise of China as a global superpower.

But in the mind of the average CX veteran, it's still 1999. Best of the best, selected for an outpost duty among savages where the remuniration makes for easy living and secure retirement once the tour is complete.

Wake the fu(k up. It's over. It was over 10 years ago. It will not get better; at best it'll be another chinese contract for a chinese carrier. So either go home and salvage what career is left or accept reality.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 23:20
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I spent some time in HK just after the handover, lived there for nearly 9 months.
Have visited few times after, enjoyed the place and have many friends from HK still living there. From my understanding after talking with friends of mine who are HK Chinese, they are very unhappy with the development, and it seems the Chinese government to dilute the HK population, by allowing hundreds of immigrants from Chinese mainland everyday into HK. Apparently every year there are between 60.000 - 100.000 immigrants coming to HK, no doubt this is to change the mindset of the general population living in HK, and make HK more China "friendly".

It's indeed worrying times, when locals no longer feel safe for the future of their children staying in HK.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 01:01
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Quadspeed is right - Hong Kong is part of China and has been since 1997. That's now 22 years - and remember the New Territories were only British for 99 years - so things change - there's only 28 years left of special status

QS's comments on the "average CX veteran" is a bit harsh but does explain the amazing sense of entitlement expressed on this board - you'd think LCA's, Chapter 11 and the number of airlines going bust in the real world would make people count their blessings at CX but too many are still in a cocoon I'm afraid
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