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HK extradition bill

Old 16th Jun 2019, 04:42
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
I spent some time in HK just after the handover, lived there for nearly 9 months.
Have visited few times after, enjoyed the place and have many friends from HK still living there. From my understanding after talking with friends of mine who are HK Chinese, they are very unhappy with the development, and it seems the Chinese government to dilute the HK population, by allowing hundreds of immigrants from Chinese mainland everyday into HK. Apparently every year there are between 60.000 - 100.000 immigrants coming to HK, no doubt this is to change the mindset of the general population living in HK, and make HK more China "friendly".

It's indeed worrying times, when locals no longer feel safe for the future of their children staying in HK.
ETHNIC CLEANSING. Which is also going on in the cockpit with less (expensive) gweilos and more cheap labour.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 06:07
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Bye bye round eye! Your services are no longer needed nor wanted and you will be compensated accordingly.

Some of your more clairvoyant colleagues capable of action beyond wishful thinking are watching comfortably from afar.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 07:40
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Tsk tsk tsk....

Cabin crew sick levels are so high for Sunday 16th that company sending panicked messages requesting volunteer crew for standby and line duty....

Dear Colleagues

Due to very high cabin crew sickness levels today (Sunday, 16th June) we urgently request additional crew to assist by volunteering for additional flight and standby duties. In order to maintain the schedule operation and avoid
cancelling any flight, we are offering an Enhanced Volunteer Package....

Etc...

Package suggested (remember who we're talking about here...) include HKD $1500 ~ $1000 "volunteer" pay per rostered duty... guaranteed extra G-day for Aug rosters, double flight duty allowance for the performed duty, same standby... and transport reimbursement.

Gentlemen... again stood up by the fantastic crew. Even organizing for an event which is ENTIRELY beyond the CX perview they can bring the organization to its knees virtually overnight. Simply AMAZED at how the guys and gals over on the crew-side have their sh1t together. Kudos again....

In the meantime in the pointy end.... bickering... whining... finger-pointing.... what a bloody shambles....

SMFH.....
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 09:08
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You completely sure of which company you talking about shuttlebug?
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Betsy View Post
ETHNIC CLEANSING. Which is also going on in the cockpit with less (expensive) gweilos and more cheap labour.
Yes you found the perfect word. It’s happening on all levels.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 11:58
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So, in the face of the probably the most overall totalitarian government in the history of mankind, the people of HK are willing to stand up to them, and the brutality of the HK police. Meanwhile, at CX, the pilots can't run fast enough to the embrace of our own totalitarians, and throw themselves at the their feet in hopes of screwing their colleagues over for that all important TC title. If there is anyone left who actually thinks this airline isn't doomed, please book your appointment with the psychiatrist. It IS over.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Air Profit View Post
So, in the face of the probably the most overall totalitarian government in the history of mankind, the people of HK are willing to stand up to them, and the brutality of the HK police. Meanwhile, at CX, the pilots can't run fast enough to the embrace of our own totalitarians, and throw themselves at the their feet in hopes of screwing their colleagues over for that all important TC title. If there is anyone left who actually thinks this airline isn't doomed, please book your appointment with the psychiatrist. It IS over.
As Kyle Bass contends there is a big issue brewing defending the peg of the HKD against the USD. In 12 months the HKMA has expended all but 20% of its reserves defending the currency peg.
When the peg breaks is unknown, but it will break. Any person holding HKD denominated assets when it does will be skinned.
This extradition bill showing the control mainland China will exert has spooked the investment community. From an investment perspective, HK is viewed as autonomous presently and exists as a free trade zone.
The review is annual and the passage of this bill will likely mean HK is no longer autonomous and simply viewed as China, with the associated tariffs applied.
The clouds are gathering for this SAR.
The big money is packing up and leaving.

Aside from the disconnected idiots at CX management, foreigners holding HKD denominated assets are likely to get skinned.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 12:51
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The commies can’t help themselves in poking the golden goose rather than just taking a cut and leaving things alone. Power hungry people are some pretty woeful creatures.

Just one more reason to leave.
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 09:19
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Maintaining the US$ peg cannot go on forever. The trade war is taking it's toll and it only has the capacity to get worse get worse. Eventually, something will give and if the peg is removed, the HKD will either have to trade freely, or more likely link to the RMB. If the latter, this will be the end for HKD as the PRC will have the excuse to introduce the RMB in HK before 2047.
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 09:34
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Originally Posted by lucille View Post
Looks like you’re all finally living in “interesting times”. I did wonder how long it would take.

How would one defend TB and CC in a mainland court?
nice one Lucille, I’ve always been very suspicious of any one that has a problem with contract compliance.
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Night Watch View Post
So if we go around weather in China without a clearance (due to a cannot from ATC) and penetrate military airspace, land in HKG..... I guess we could be extradited to the mainland?? A mate who flies for China Southern, did this and was arrested. He avoided jail time by accepting a loss of license, deportation back to Canada and banned from flying again in Chinese airspace (under any license).
I was at CSA. I find this extremely hard to believe
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by CX ex View Post
Bye bye round eye! Your services are no longer needed nor wanted and you will be compensated accordingly.
Indeed, bye bye B scalers I hear .

KA crews offered a “pay rise “ 1% /1% 1% A fixed 3 year deal .

It was recently unanimously rejected . However , the point being , like Carrie Lam to the hk peopke, the Cathay Dragon management are treating its crews with utter contempt.

The audacity of pleeding poverty, getting guys n gals onboard, in the name of “ time to win” then , & now when things are on the upturn, ruthlessly taking away the promise of improvements in their remuneration.

Fool me once . Fool me twice .. comes to mind .
This has been going on for at least 6 years . Incredulously, I’m pretty sure it will continue , with a further paltry offer being made from the company as a final take it or leave it approach.

I understand that the CX guy again will face the humiliation of another 4% enforced rise, for their continued contract compliance . The KA guys will vote to roll over and bemoan the failing conditions for round eyes . Enough said. Perhaps we all deserve it ?
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 06:20
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Front page of BBC Asia today, any wonder HK people don't want big brother getting any closer...


https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-as...ormation-camps
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 09:43
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That is truly ghastly! I suppose though they brainwash to quell uprisings, how would you keep a country like Chins under control unless a brutalCommuist regime??

(And on a lighter note, my Boy still seeems to struggle to make a bed at 22yrs old!)
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Dan Winterland View Post
Maintaining the US$ peg cannot go on forever. The trade war is taking it's toll and it only has the capacity to get worse get worse. Eventually, something will give and if the peg is removed, the HKD will either have to trade freely, or more likely link to the RMB. If the latter, this will be the end for HKD as the PRC will have the excuse to introduce the RMB in HK before 2047.
The peg can be maintained due to HK surpluses that give them the ability to trade USD and maintain the band. No war chest, no peg. Simple. The most obvious monument to the erosion of the war chest is that ridiculous bridge to nowhere that slaps you in the face on every arrival. There are many ways the PRC can force HK to divest its war chest and achieve their goal of forcing HK onto the RMB before 2047.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 05:56
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Originally Posted by YeahNahYeah View Post
Why the hell would you even fly through Hong Kong? When are the Swire boys going to wake up and pull Carrie into line. Unless they really really don't want an airline with any passengers? But God forbid someone smashes a window at PP1...
I've heard on a grape vine that some companies were letting HK staff take the day off to join in on the protest. Suggests that businesses in HK were dead set against the law. Given the influence business has in how HK is run, it's perhaps inevitable that the government would back down.

I also heard that the demos were covered on Chinese TV, but we're described as being in support of the new law, not against it.

I suppose the big question now is what will the mainland do next?

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Old 25th Jun 2019, 07:42
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I saw one quality paper saying that the HK people were out protesting against the US tariffs.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 08:39
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Originally Posted by VR-HFX View Post
The peg can be maintained due to HK surpluses that give them the ability to trade USD and maintain the band. No war chest, no peg. Simple. The most obvious monument to the erosion of the war chest is that ridiculous bridge to nowhere that slaps you in the face on every arrival. There are many ways the PRC can force HK to divest its war chest and achieve their goal of forcing HK onto the RMB before 2047.
That assumes that their FX reserves are replenished.
To date the HKMA has expended 80% of their Foreign currency reserves defending the peg in the last 12 months.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 18:04
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I heard sick rates were planned at 50%. But seeing as everybody is so happy to take pineapples. The sick rate is only 25% further reinforcing that everyone is happy, and the death by a thousand cuts programme should continue at full speed!
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 19:48
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Anyone go sick with conjunctivitis from Superintendent Shave's tear gas? Would look good on your personal file for a future employer in a country that respects freedom of speech. Or not if you choose your future airlines from the dodgy areas of the world...

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