COS 99 extensions- seniority is over
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Face facts: CX is now basically a LCC in all but name. The morale is equivalent to the worst of the LCC world, and so are the relative pay and benefits. People are barely on the line 6 months and are already looking for better opportunities. Long term FO's (10-11 yr) are resigning and starting over at their home carriers. Sickness levels are at industry highs, and so on and so on. The game is over at CX. It's a "job", but not much else anymore. There is really no career left here, and certainly there is little hope of a financially rewarding one. If you have a family, you will barely be at subsistence levels. CX is now only a name, and the substance and uniqueness that once marked the airline as a special career opportunity is long gone. If you value your career, your health, your family's happiness, then the sooner you are with an established carrier back home the sooner life will settle down and you can start living again. Not many of us left at CX can say we are actually "living"....just lurching from one unsatisfying and fatiguing roster to the next.
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So what you’re saying is the more that break the ban and join training the stronger the AOA’s position is in negotiations with the company?
Let me help you: whatever is happening in the heads of those who are breaking the training ban is for their own reconciliation, and reputations. Of course it doesn't help that some have chosen to do this, but the end game isn't materially affected as the package on offer now is so bad that market forces will make even that selfish act irrelevant. We are running out of pilots because the current money and career prospects are so rubbish that even with the new trainers, there aren't the resources to replace the hundreds that are waiting for start dates or retiring.
Lastly, you wont get a pay rise or better conditions for the rest of your time with this company. I think that is the "idea" most have, which is why they ARE leaving.
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Face facts: CX is now basically a LCC in all but name. The morale is equivalent to the worst of the LCC world, and so are the relative pay and benefits. People are barely on the line 6 months and are already looking for better opportunities. Long term FO's (10-11 yr) are resigning and starting over at their home carriers. Sickness levels are at industry highs, and so on and so on. The game is over at CX. It's a "job", but not much else anymore. There is really no career left here, and certainly there is little hope of a financially rewarding one. If you have a family, you will barely be at subsistence levels. CX is now only a name, and the substance and uniqueness that once marked the airline as a special career opportunity is long gone. If you value your career, your health, your family's happiness, then the sooner you are with an established carrier back home the sooner life will settle down and you can start living again. Not many of us left at CX can say we are actually "living"....just lurching from one unsatisfying and fatiguing roster to the next.
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That's what you got out of the whole post?
Let me help you: whatever is happening in the heads of those who are breaking the training ban is for their own reconciliation, and reputations. Of course it doesn't help that some have chosen to do this, but the end game isn't materially affected as the package on offer now is so bad that market forces will make even that selfish act irrelevant. We are running out of pilots because the current money and career prospects are so rubbish that even with the new trainers, there aren't the resources to replace the hundreds that are waiting for start dates or retiring.
Lastly, you wont get a pay rise or better conditions for the rest of your time with this company. I think that is the "idea" most have, which is why they ARE leaving.
Let me help you: whatever is happening in the heads of those who are breaking the training ban is for their own reconciliation, and reputations. Of course it doesn't help that some have chosen to do this, but the end game isn't materially affected as the package on offer now is so bad that market forces will make even that selfish act irrelevant. We are running out of pilots because the current money and career prospects are so rubbish that even with the new trainers, there aren't the resources to replace the hundreds that are waiting for start dates or retiring.
Lastly, you wont get a pay rise or better conditions for the rest of your time with this company. I think that is the "idea" most have, which is why they ARE leaving.
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Pickup...I take it you are on 55 ? 
As for your "there ain't that many leaving" comment, I guess that's the reason i'm on overtime every month, I keep getting called out as relief when on reserve, and my emails to and from colleagues that have all left in the past 24 months or so are just a figment of my imagination. And yes, as Cxerocst says above, what unpaid leave/seats/fleets??
As for your "there ain't that many leaving" comment, I guess that's the reason i'm on overtime every month, I keep getting called out as relief when on reserve, and my emails to and from colleagues that have all left in the past 24 months or so are just a figment of my imagination. And yes, as Cxerocst says above, what unpaid leave/seats/fleets??
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Had a chat with a colleague who works "upstairs". The ULV is not due to an "excess" of aircrew, it's due to CX's usual incompetence that has resulted in a misallocation of aircrew on the wrong fleets. The true measure of aircrew levels is whether or not all allowed leave is allocated across the airline. In fact, they barely allocated little more than half this years leave (doubt that, go and have a look at available slots vs number of crew in each position and base).
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Really?
Interesting interpretation STW. I interpret that FCN in that we have a dysfunctional and antiquated leave system and that our inept management completely dropped the ball when they released a wholly inadequate number leave slots during the initial leave bid and now, they’ve gone into crisis mode to address the leave imbalance, they alone, are completely responsible for.
However, you go right ahead and believe that management have this all under control and that nobody is leaving, whatever blows your hair back man.
However, you go right ahead and believe that management have this all under control and that nobody is leaving, whatever blows your hair back man.
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I think it is all part of a cunning and insidious plot. By offering less and less money to new applicants, POS 18 to RA 55, plus unpaid leave for all, they want us to think there is no pilot shortage.
Then, when eventually all breaks down and nobody saw it coming, they will laugh last.
Then, when eventually all breaks down and nobody saw it coming, they will laugh last.
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I think it is all part of a cunning and insidious plot. By offering less and less money to new applicants, POS 18 to RA 55, plus unpaid leave for all, they want us to think there is no pilot shortage.
Then, when eventually all breaks down and nobody saw it coming, they will laugh last.
Then, when eventually all breaks down and nobody saw it coming, they will laugh last.
#AOA is 100% useless
CX is toast..
#CXit
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The decision to close—or expand for that matter— the bases or not really has nothing to do with this. For now they are tokens of sorts and a kind of contingency plan. Designed to retain enough people in HKG with the illusion of being able to go elsewhere while their replacements are spun up. And an ‘out’ in case staffing the airline from HKG doesn’t work. They will attempt to attract enough people on POS 18 to staff the the airline from there and if it works close the bases in time.
Right now they are experimenting to find the feasibility of staffing the airline on POS 18 from HKG and how to juggle assets to make that happen. While opening up enough token slots to retain folks. It may or may not work and that is what will decide the future of Basing’s.
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Pickup...I take it you are on 55 ? As for your "there ain't that many leaving" comment, I guess that's the reason i'm on overtime every month, I keep getting called out as relief when on reserve, and my emails to and from colleagues that have all left in the past 24 months or so are just a figment of my imagination. And yes, as Cxerocst says above, what unpaid leave/seats/fleets??
As for your "there ain't that many leaving" comment, I guess that's the reason i'm on overtime every month, I keep getting called out as relief when on reserve, and my emails to and from colleagues that have all left in the past 24 months or so are just a figment of my imagination. And yes, as Cxerocst says above, what unpaid leave/seats/fleets??I do wonder if abusing the crap out of the company on social media will pay dividends when the first extension interview rolls around and there are say 30 RA55 guys going for 7 slots.
Own goal springs to mind.
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#Delirious
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Find an SO that's been here for about 2 years and ask them how many seniority numbers they've moved in that time. Last one I spoke to had moved up at a rate indicating about 5% attrition over 18 months.