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COS 99 extensions- seniority is over

Old 12th Jun 2019, 14:45
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Work till when ??

Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
I'm curious as to what age you believe is the maximum at which a person should be "allowed" to earn a living from what is likely to be the only major marketable skill they have?
I'll surmise that you believe "until you die" is or should be the new norm.
Meritocracy - dead
Seniority - dead
Empathy for those with families still under retirement age trying to make a go of it - dead

Only good rules are the rules that suit you, n'est-ce pas ??

Me, me, me, me.......
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 15:23
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As long as you are capable and wish to would seem reasonable to me.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 23:22
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
HAHAHA are you serious? Express concerns to the AOA? Now that's the biggest joke I have heard today. What have they done for us - name one good thing?
Yes just give up buddy, why donít you just eat a bullet while youíre at it, itís no use anyway, is it?
grow a pair, sally
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 09:18
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Arfur, there you have it, right there. join the "few" and get a good deal when it suits but describe current Management a "bunch of c...s" when it doesn't. That's why we, "commercial" pilots go for hire & reward. Concerned about what's painted on the side of an aeroplane has no longer any worth in the industry.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 11:38
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Don't think I made my point very well Landflap. "The few" (who became "Everyone") were those after about 2008/9 who simply stayed on the pax Fleet until 65 on their Bases etc - that was an exceptional deal which didn't apply to me. I had to give up my base and convert to the Classic. COS 99ers were offered a chance to join COS08 but they refused and kept COS 99 with the understanding that they would retire at 55. It is typical Cathay that they can now have their cake and eat it at the expense of others. I don't think my actions disadvantaged anyone as RA65 was becoming the industry standard anyway. Don't shoot the messenger!
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 15:18
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Originally Posted by Firefly47 View Post
How does any captain taking COS18 to stay past 55 sleep at night? Probably the same guys joining training but claimed they were "forced"
Controlled rest!
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 09:48
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Arfur, thanks for the courtesy of a clarification. I see your point. That has been my downfall as I see all sides of an argument and was a Management Guy for a long time . Glad to get back to line flying & look after myself quite selfishly & ruthlessly. Worked but I have no mates.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 20:21
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Remember guys and gals, increasing the CX retirement age to 65 will REDUCE time to command!!!

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Old 15th Jun 2019, 09:45
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Yeah , and they are also convinced that by reducing EPR you INCREASE the RTOW. Thanks for my customary larf of they day Boxey !
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by boxjockey View Post
Remember guys and gals, increasing the CX retirement age to 65 will REDUCE time to command!!!

box
Think of it this way, when you do finally get that command you can stay until you are 65 too. Sadly, since the contract is now so poor, you will probably have to anyway!
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 14:00
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Capable

Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
As long as you are capable and wish to would seem reasonable to me.
Exactly the same criteria management applies to find candidates for Check/Trainer positions.. Note, nothing to do with merit !
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 16:18
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Maybe we have different understandings of the term "capable"?
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 20:23
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Retirement age

I find it strange that the retirement age is even in the contract. How was this negotiated? I think a person should be allowed to fly as long as the regulations, not some odd clause in a contract, allow. I canít imagine a contract for any profession in the US having a mandatory retirement age. Thatís for the regulators.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 01:52
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There is the rub letís fly 75. CX is based in HKG. These are HKG contracts governed by HKG law. It is NOT the US,nor AUS, nor Europe. It is pointless comparing the law from those jurisdictions.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 04:18
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Well I flew or CX for over 10 years. I always thought the age clause was inane. If I had stayed and the age limit had been raised I would have zero problem continuing to that new age.
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 08:08
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sure fly til 75.

You just canít fly into airspace mandated by other jurisdictions to limit pilot retirement age to 65

lotsa luck with that
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 13:04
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What you have to realize is the company will use just about any issue ó regulators raising the RA or max hours, economic conditions in a third world nation, wannabees learning to fly, a flood in Johnstown, you name it

To attempt to develop a new contract of lower terms and conditions for a segment of the pilot force. And then play this segment against others developing a series of declining contracts. Itís been their MO for years.

The market could not be better for pilot opportunities than it is now. Yet for some reason our pilot force whiningly takes whatever the company throws at them.

For a time period CC and TB was working and they are parking jets. But POS 18 end runs CC and the new policy gives scabs cover to themselves to end run the TB. After this it becomes a matter of time of whether the bathtub can be filled fast enough.

So the writing was on the wall with the escalation to POS 18 ó either strike or accept your lot. Apparently the workforce is composed of too many scabs and pussies to do much about their lot other than whine so there ya have it.
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