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Old 6th May 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by arc698 View Post
Does this mean that they're not taking NTR FO's anymore?
I think as long as you have a pulse and most of your limbs you’ll be snapped up.

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Old 7th May 2019, 12:07
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Originally Posted by delaynotime View Post
I'm going to list some unbiased facts for anyone considering this contract.

​​​​They are telling candidates in the interview it's 3 years to promotion. More like 5. The queue is getting longer every month there is no command courses and cadets are reaching their 5000 hours requirements.

​Massive signing bonus = 60k. This is to compensate on your loss of hours the first 3 months due to ground school and training.

42 days annual leave. No leave available this year for 2 guys that just joined. Transfer to next year, 84 days leave. Now they will be unable to reach their productivity target for next year if they take it all = pay loss.

690 hour target for A320. I've been on this fleet for many years and never come close to that!

Best case scenario you take home HK100,000 per month. In reality expect 70-80k.
Hi there. Where did you take this 70-80k from?
According to cos2018 would more likely around 59k a month....
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Old 7th May 2019, 14:13
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Originally Posted by ghuerren View Post
Hi there. Where did you take this 70-80k from?
According to cos2018 would more likely around 59k a month....
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59k + 18k (monthly allowance) = 77k

What is the annual block hours target used for? According to the COS, basic salary is only conditional on the monthly minimum of 40.25 block hours (A320).
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Old 7th May 2019, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Jetstream alpha View Post
59k + 18k (monthly allowance) = 77k

What is the annual block hours target used for? According to the COS, basic salary is only conditional on the monthly minimum of 40.25 block hours (A320).
Well.
This is my spredsheet...
<!--td {border: 1px solid #ccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}-->AnualTarget / Month70% MonthTarget Anual$825.000,00$68.750,00$48.125,00Allowance$18.000,00$18.0 00,001 Kid$60.000,00$5.000,00$5.000,00Total$885.000,00$91.750,00$71 .125,00-Tax 17%$734.550,00$76.152,50$59.033,75
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Old 7th May 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Which is still, of course, 3 times the median pay in Hong Kong.
It also many times more than widfire bush meat hunters in Angola. What’s your point? Professional pilots should be brought down to HK cubicle wages? What about those hand trimming the grass at HKIA? They make less too. It’s not fair! Equal wages for all!
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Old 7th May 2019, 15:30
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That’s as may be but comparisons are interesting but not really relevant to the situation.

Essentially the market will determine the package and at the moment they are not getting people to join.

“The average salary range for an Emergency Room Registered Nurse is between HKD 389,405 and HKD 678,948.”

That is probably why there is a shortage in their field too.

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Old 7th May 2019, 21:30
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It's not just measuring value to society, in fact in private business it's (rightly) nothing to do with society.

Pilots, and others who are required to be away from home, have historically been compensated for that hardship. My nephew works "in the mines" and has a 12 on 12 off roster. Way more time off than a teacher, but I don't see that as "unfair".

Stop wanting to meddle, and let the market sort it out.
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Old 7th May 2019, 22:15
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Another boring contrarian. Back on topic please.

This contract potentially sells with a promise of a fast command. We already have pilots here who have given up their commands on a promise of a fast command that have not eventuated. Where do the new guys think they fit in? Please bank on 7 to 10 years as an F/O. There are hundreds of capable pilots waiting for command ahead of you. Please also consider the high command failure rate. Though the TRG Dept has new and refreshing leadership that will improve pass rates.

KA's future is unclear. As a pilot even more so, with CX's lack of vision for KA and even if they did have vision, HK Express will potentially expand over KA's routes if history is anything to go by. To give up a command and to come to KA on a D Scale contract in light of the above, is an own goal in my view. As an F/O hoping for command, be realistic. It is a long way off and there are many risks you are not in control of.

To be told you will be getting a command in three years, if true, is a salesman's pitch from my colleagues in recruiting!
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:59
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Furthermore the reason the commands have pretty much dried up is that the company is so short of FO that they cant promote. Ergo anyone who joins is bound for a long term rhs slot.
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Old 8th May 2019, 13:13
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CX told KA what COS 18 is, and that's all that is available for future pilots. CX recruit mainly SO, low qualified wannabes. Most CX guys have joined via this route over the last 15 years.

KA, however, have always relied on a steady stream of qualified, 3000+ jet hour guys, some already rated.

The low down is that, as as stated above, very few jet guys with decent experience are taking the lure of COS 18 and the B.Sh1t promise of a fast command.

There is 1 Command upgrade announced this year, in June. One. How many are already pre qualified, waiting their turn, around 40? 50? .

COS 18 will work for CX, as you don't need much skill to make a bunk and suck up to your captain on a 13 hour sector.

The same COS will not work at KA, for the experience they desire, the system was geared up for pilots with experience.

I bet its back to Standard contract by the end of the year.

And then there's the issue of that loverly 1% pay deal, for 3 years. It's so worth relocating your life to Hong Kong to aspire to that. Right.
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Old 8th May 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by kahaha View Post
CX told KA what COS 18 is, and that's all that is available for future pilots. CX recruit mainly SO, low qualified wannabes. Most CX guys have joined via this route over the last 15 years.

KA, however, have always relied on a steady stream of qualified, 3000+ jet hour guys, some already rated.

The low down is that, as as stated above, very few jet guys with decent experience are taking the lure of COS 18 and the B.Sh1t promise of a fast command.

There is 1 Command upgrade announced this year, in June. One. How many are already pre qualified, waiting their turn, around 40? 50? .

COS 18 will work for CX, as you don't need much skill to make a bunk and suck up to your captain on a 13 hour sector.

The same COS will not work at KA, for the experience they desire, the system was geared up for pilots with experience.

I bet its back to Standard contract by the end of the year.

And then there's the issue of that loverly 1% pay deal, for 3 years. It's so worth relocating your life to Hong Kong to aspire to that. Right.
I get your point. Tthanks for sharing....

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Old 8th May 2019, 13:45
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Thanks for clarifying - its a dog eat dog world...
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Old 8th May 2019, 15:06
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That 1% deal will not be happening by the way....
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