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Sadly, due to a few craven individuals with no character or sense of morality (you know who you are....and so do we), the efforts of 3000+ plus pilots has been wasted. I might add that we are talking about an effort now going on 4 years. You have those individuals to thank for wasting your efforts, the sacrifices of your families and the ultimate loss of your leverage and hopes for any improvement to your packages. All so those individuals could squirrel away a few more percent for themselves. The definition of selfish, narcissistic and immoral. Every single one of you.
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Sadly, due to a few craven individuals with no character or sense of morality (you know who you are....and so do we), the efforts of 3000+ plus pilots has been wasted. I might add that we are talking about an effort now going on 4 years. You have those individuals to thank for wasting your efforts, the sacrifices of your families and the ultimate loss of your leverage and hopes for any improvement to your packages. All so those individuals could squirrel away a few more percent for themselves. The definition of selfish, narcissistic and immoral. Every single one of you.
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And I can do my own thing - I left CX, which is far more action than many of the chest beaters on here!!
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Roy, a lot of us here are planning on leaving, but it's not as easy for some as it is for others...so please, don't chest thump. Those that volunteered for training have done a terrible thing to their colleagues, their families and the collective hope for a better future. Just another reason to believe that there really is no career of value left here. It's ironic, but the same greedy, shameless individuals who have thrown their colleagues under the bus have also thrown their own long term best interests under the bus as well. Truly a sad, pathetic airline full of sad pathetic characters. The only real option for those who care about their careers is to leave, and to do so as soon as possible.
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Roy, a lot of us here are planning on leaving, but it's not as easy for some as it is for others...so please, don't chest thump. Those that volunteered for training have done a terrible thing to their colleagues, their families and the collective hope for a better future. Just another reason to believe that there really is no career of value left here. It's ironic, but the same greedy, shameless individuals who have thrown their colleagues under the bus have also thrown their own long term best interests under the bus as well. Truly a sad, pathetic airline full of sad pathetic characters. The only real option for those who care about their careers is to leave, and to do so as soon as possible.
I leave, as so many on here are encouraged to do (for the sake of clarity I left entirely under my own conscience), and then I get accused of ‘chest thumping’. How does that make any sense? I’m merely stating fact. I have left CX and I do feel that a strike is the ONLY course of action the CX management would understand. Rehashing the same strategy over and over and blindly ‘staying the course’ when ‘the course’ is blatantly not working doesn’t seem to be the smartest course of action. TB and CC have all been circumnavigated, and the industrial strategy needs to change.The pilot body didn’t even blink when COS18 was introduced. It was just accepted as a fait accompli. That shows me there is absolutely zero stomach for any fight, which means you either make your own plans, or accept that the career prospects at CX are over.
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I also left. Leaving behind 12 years of a career and all that entails was not easy, but my life is now happier for it. I am sorry for all of my ex-colleagues, as there are many great pilots at CX who do not deserve what they are being dealt. The trajectory of a flying career at CX is now well established, and I hope that all of you who are seeking something better find what you are looking for.
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For any leader to enact an unpopular policy they need stooges. Theses stooges must be deeply delusional in that they must be made to believe that they are being admitted to some kind of exclusive, elitist inner sanctum and that further enhancements will be attached to their promotion of this unpopular policy. They must be so delusional that they cannot see the damage they are doing to their own standing in the community nor the damage that they do to the best interests of their colleagues. Plus , they must be convinced that doing 30% extra work for 10% extra salary is a wise decision.
There is a school of thought that says that the desire to become a stooge should automatically preclude you from becoming one on the the grounds of poor professional judgement. ( Nobody believes they are “forced” into stoogery, they are all willing volunteers).
There is a school of thought that says that the desire to become a stooge should automatically preclude you from becoming one on the the grounds of poor professional judgement. ( Nobody believes they are “forced” into stoogery, they are all willing volunteers).
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It's going to be an interesting career going forward for these people. We all know who they are, and we all know what they have done (to everyone of us and our families hopes and futures). At least I know who won't be getting JS's and who not to share a beer with. Reputation: a lifetime to earn, a moment to lose.
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There are now just under 100 guys on the training captain list and the list is growing every day. The training ban is dead, it is now causing more problems to us than to them. The reality is that even if we wanted to remove the training ban we will never be able to get rid of it. As it is linked to HKPA and RP, means we will never be able to remove it, as we will never get more than 67% of member to agree on both of these items at the same time. The captains taking up the training positions is only the start, as more people figure out that in the past 6 months the ill conceived motions by a minority of the membership had tangled up the union’s ability to achieve anything, they will start to resign. Most of my contemporaries are waiting to see what happens with the vote in September, they all say that if RF runs and gets voted in as chairman, they will quit the union. The TB is dead and the AOA all of a sudden it totally irrelevant, and we can only blame ourselves for that!
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There are now just under 100 guys on the training captain list and the list is growing every day. The training ban is dead, it is now causing more problems to us than to them. The reality is that even if we wanted to remove the training ban we will never be able to get rid of it. As it is linked to HKPA and RP, means we will never be able to remove it, as we will never get more than 67% of member to agree on both of these items at the same time. The captains taking up the training positions is only the start, as more people figure out that in the past 6 months the ill conceived motions by a minority of the membership had tangled up the union’s ability to achieve anything, they will start to resign. Most of my contemporaries are waiting to see what happens with the vote in September, they all say that if RF runs and gets voted in as chairman, they will quit the union. The TB is dead and the AOA all of a sudden it totally irrelevant, and we can only blame ourselves for that!
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I’m happy to accept the ban worked once but doesn’t work now. I’m just as happy to pretend there is only 4 guys going into training and/or breaking the TB and not the list that’s grown to 60 plus. I’m also happy to pretend there isn’t training captain courses all the way into August.
There guys don’t care, the whole idea that actions like turning your back on them in dispatch will be effective, sadly is rubbish.
We need to vote to end TB/CC. It is in the current climate utterly worthless.
There guys don’t care, the whole idea that actions like turning your back on them in dispatch will be effective, sadly is rubbish.
We need to vote to end TB/CC. It is in the current climate utterly worthless.