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Absolutely!!
Also consider, how do you draft someone into training who doesn't want to do it? What quality of training will that provide? Basically, it would be just multi-engine, single pilot IFR. Not much different to what we do some of the time now with the 'talent' that has been coming through.
Also consider, how do you draft someone into training who doesn't want to do it? What quality of training will that provide? Basically, it would be just multi-engine, single pilot IFR. Not much different to what we do some of the time now with the 'talent' that has been coming through.
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Absolutely!!
Also consider, how do you draft someone into training who doesn't want to do it? What quality of training will that provide? Basically, it would be just multi-engine, single pilot IFR. Not much different to what we do some of the time now with the 'talent' that has been coming through.
Also consider, how do you draft someone into training who doesn't want to do it? What quality of training will that provide? Basically, it would be just multi-engine, single pilot IFR. Not much different to what we do some of the time now with the 'talent' that has been coming through.
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What's all the hubbub? The Brits have used press gangs before. That's how they manned the Royal Navy, forced enlistment. It worked back then...why not now?
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Seems like the standard Modus Operandi around here.
Except there's a whole bunch more ways to jump ship these days. Or camp out under the poop deck.
So while it may kinda work, it probably won't kinda work very well.
And if you look at where the Brits were then and where they are now might not work out very well in the long run either.
Arrrrgh and Alas me mateys. Ship's being overrun with scabs and the skipper'n the crows' nest drunk'n the rum again.
Except there's a whole bunch more ways to jump ship these days. Or camp out under the poop deck.
So while it may kinda work, it probably won't kinda work very well.
And if you look at where the Brits were then and where they are now might not work out very well in the long run either.
Arrrrgh and Alas me mateys. Ship's being overrun with scabs and the skipper'n the crows' nest drunk'n the rum again.
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If it requires a response, that is the opposite of a failed strategy. It was and continues to be a a very good strategy that has brought this whole airline to its knees and recycled many a useless manager. Maybe you are next? Or maybe you are one of the muppets who will try to use this NTC as an excuse?
Let me save you the suspense and spoil the ending. You will be looked at as a scab and it will follow you the rest of your miserable career here.
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Yes, and proudly. We pulled the same stunts too back in the day on the Left Coast. Called it being Shanghaied. Easy on the compliments, I did choose to work at CX with the rest of us after-all. Even worse, I stick around...
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It seems to me the company is a bit schizo lately, but it all makes sense now.
First they give hkpa increase, great.. But mostly for the young ones... The housing for the old ones is less..
Then they force people into training, good for the young ones (faster upgrade times, forgetting about undermining the training ban's effectiveness), bad for the old ones (no control over your own career, unable to leave without probably a very good explanation)
It is now blatantly obvious that our company now only acts to appease the young pilots, as they are the ones leaving and have less to lose by leaving, while they don't care so much anymore for the people who already put all that time in...(sunk cost fallacy, anyone?)
So, if you are a young pilot, and you have options, take note of how the company treats the more senior pilots, this will be you...
Don't be fooled by how things appear to be improving for you now, but instead look at how it will look for you down the line, when you have committed to the airline have a command and a high seniority number and it does not make much sense to leave anymore.
First they give hkpa increase, great.. But mostly for the young ones... The housing for the old ones is less..
Then they force people into training, good for the young ones (faster upgrade times, forgetting about undermining the training ban's effectiveness), bad for the old ones (no control over your own career, unable to leave without probably a very good explanation)
It is now blatantly obvious that our company now only acts to appease the young pilots, as they are the ones leaving and have less to lose by leaving, while they don't care so much anymore for the people who already put all that time in...(sunk cost fallacy, anyone?)
So, if you are a young pilot, and you have options, take note of how the company treats the more senior pilots, this will be you...
Don't be fooled by how things appear to be improving for you now, but instead look at how it will look for you down the line, when you have committed to the airline have a command and a high seniority number and it does not make much sense to leave anymore.
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That makes a lot a sense. So the TB is a failed strategy but it required a response. Let me guess, you are involved in writing some of our manuals?
If it requires a response, that is the opposite of a failed strategy. It was and continues to be a a very good strategy that has brought this whole airline to its knees and recycled many a useless manager. Maybe you are next? Or maybe you are one of the muppets who will try to use this NTC as an excuse?
Let me save you the suspense and spoil the ending. You will be looked at as a scab and it will follow you the rest of your miserable career here.
sqwak - now that's an appropriate pseudonym for you.... "nonsensical blabbering"...or did you misspell squawk? Either of which suggests you are at the lower end of the food chain, best to keep the responses factual here if you want to join the grown ups rather than going straight for the abuse.
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It seems to me the company is a bit schizo lately, but it all makes sense now.
First they give hkpa increase, great.. But mostly for the young ones... The housing for the old ones is less..
Then they force people into training, good for the young ones (faster upgrade times, forgetting about undermining the training ban's effectiveness), bad for the old ones (no control over your own career, unable to leave without probably a very good explanation)
It is now blatantly obvious that our company now only acts to appease the young pilots, as they are the ones leaving and have less to lose by leaving, while they don't care so much anymore for the people who already put all that time in...(sunk cost fallacy, anyone?)
So, if you are a young pilot, and you have options, take note of how the company treats the more senior pilots, this will be you...
Don't be fooled by how things appear to be improving for you now, but instead look at how it will look for you down the line, when you have committed to the airline have a command and a high seniority number and it does not make much sense to leave anymore.
First they give hkpa increase, great.. But mostly for the young ones... The housing for the old ones is less..
Then they force people into training, good for the young ones (faster upgrade times, forgetting about undermining the training ban's effectiveness), bad for the old ones (no control over your own career, unable to leave without probably a very good explanation)
It is now blatantly obvious that our company now only acts to appease the young pilots, as they are the ones leaving and have less to lose by leaving, while they don't care so much anymore for the people who already put all that time in...(sunk cost fallacy, anyone?)
So, if you are a young pilot, and you have options, take note of how the company treats the more senior pilots, this will be you...
Don't be fooled by how things appear to be improving for you now, but instead look at how it will look for you down the line, when you have committed to the airline have a command and a high seniority number and it does not make much sense to leave anymore.
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Yup. The Company loves to play the divide and conquer on a Master's degree level--3 level chess to the long term. Playing pretty much everyone off against everyone and everywhere else (FWIW this does NOT result in a happy or particularly productive work force or work environment--but I don't think this is much of a goal--viewing people who fly airplanes much like the fuel that is used to power them). I hear people whinge and whine and then dutifully put extra time into work; to me personally reminds me of an abused spouse sprucing up dinner (maybe if I don't overcook his steak he won't hit me THIS time). The fact that someone would consider putting MORE time in by going into training is wholly baffling (not to mention you will be thought of as a scab for the rest of your life--and someday have to live with this).
So I think one is wise to look at what level of commitment (from a personal perspective) that one wants to give such a place. For sure, there ARE some decent people here (who are worth knowing and as friends and nice to spend time with and see) but on the macro level you're fodder for the boiler.
The IMPORTANT thing to realize if you're on the bottom rungs is that the pot o' stuff targeted down the road for cuts ('screw those greedy A scalers') is the pot o' stuff you aren't going to get downline. You're cutting YOUR own throat if you buy into the paradigm. And to realize there's the same target opportunity BEHIND you in new hires that the company will attempt to persuade to target YOU. One who is considering anything related to POS 18 from a refugee country might want to consider how this spiral has evolved and ask himself or herself do I really want to poke my nose into this thing. I can understand a few folks riding it out before pulling the pin; hard to fathom how anyone can look at any length of years in being in such an environment. It's kinda funny (to me) when some folks get down into the weeds with upgrades, etc. when the dike is coming apart from around the finger. Yup--upgrade to skipper a bit down the road, work harder, have a worse roster, put in more time, worry about life, and make less (under worse conditions) than a present day senior FO who's currently finishing up his days here.
I think we've seen in the fuel hedging debacle (which IMHO was simply a scam all along--witness the airline magically having enough cash to buy or leverage a new airline) the degree to which the company (IMHO) will make up stuff to push an agenda. True or not. No one knows how money moves across China or around here. If I bill myself for a house my wife and I live in I can make up any number I want to attempt to show my wife how poor I am (she's smart enough not to believe this though).
So I think one is wise to look at what level of commitment (from a personal perspective) that one wants to give such a place. For sure, there ARE some decent people here (who are worth knowing and as friends and nice to spend time with and see) but on the macro level you're fodder for the boiler.
The IMPORTANT thing to realize if you're on the bottom rungs is that the pot o' stuff targeted down the road for cuts ('screw those greedy A scalers') is the pot o' stuff you aren't going to get downline. You're cutting YOUR own throat if you buy into the paradigm. And to realize there's the same target opportunity BEHIND you in new hires that the company will attempt to persuade to target YOU. One who is considering anything related to POS 18 from a refugee country might want to consider how this spiral has evolved and ask himself or herself do I really want to poke my nose into this thing. I can understand a few folks riding it out before pulling the pin; hard to fathom how anyone can look at any length of years in being in such an environment. It's kinda funny (to me) when some folks get down into the weeds with upgrades, etc. when the dike is coming apart from around the finger. Yup--upgrade to skipper a bit down the road, work harder, have a worse roster, put in more time, worry about life, and make less (under worse conditions) than a present day senior FO who's currently finishing up his days here.
I think we've seen in the fuel hedging debacle (which IMHO was simply a scam all along--witness the airline magically having enough cash to buy or leverage a new airline) the degree to which the company (IMHO) will make up stuff to push an agenda. True or not. No one knows how money moves across China or around here. If I bill myself for a house my wife and I live in I can make up any number I want to attempt to show my wife how poor I am (she's smart enough not to believe this though).
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Watching the Company and the AOA is like watching two fat people have sex. It’s unsightly, but amusing trying to figure out which one looks more stupid.Hot on the heels of the DFO's latest blunder, the AOA has played a blinder with just 486 members (20.6% of all members) successfully voting that all future votes require 67% majority to pass. In future, if 1579 vote to do something and just 779 say “no”, then it’s not going to happen. The AOA just adopted democracy by minority rule!!AOA, please just give me my levy back and I’ll leave you all to it. Cathay, just make me redundant and you can replace me with someone on POS18…. everyone’s a winner….A plague on both your houses…….
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"If any of you think that every random Tom, Dick and Harry may be asked to become a trainer you are likely to also believe in the tooth fairy. "
EXACTLY how it has been for 20 years... I'll counter that if you think the cream rises to the top, you're dead wrong; that only happens in a meritocracy and CX has killed that method of promotion a very long time ago. The dancing buffoon is a great example..
It's just not fair that John/Suzy who joined 3 years ago with 200hrs and have no PIC time can't be trainers...
#CXit while you can
"If any of you think that every random Tom, Dick and Harry may be asked to become a trainer you are likely to also believe in the tooth fairy. "
EXACTLY how it has been for 20 years... I'll counter that if you think the cream rises to the top, you're dead wrong; that only happens in a meritocracy and CX has killed that method of promotion a very long time ago. The dancing buffoon is a great example..
It's just not fair that John/Suzy who joined 3 years ago with 200hrs and have no PIC time can't be trainers...
#CXit while you can