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Training ban broken

Old 27th Mar 2019, 09:52
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Training ban broken

What recourse remains for us now?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 10:00
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Work somewhere else
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 10:17
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all i can say is LOL.

****ty trainers being appointed against their will.

The system is already broken as it is. way to make it even more broken.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 10:58
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The standards guys are going to have their work cut out
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 11:02
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Finally the CAD will have to get involved. FOP have waited this long to do something this drastic because they know how risky it is.

Training is very much what CAD own and are directly responsible for. Legally. I cant wait for the invisible public servant responsible to say in writing that they are happy for this company to put people in these Training Captain positions under duress and threat.

Last roll of the dice it would seem.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 11:08
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The CAD has told them they can appoint training Captains
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 11:10
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Never heard if this ever before anywhere and cannot imagine how it could work, unless of course, as I already suspect, it will simply be a mechanism to allow "forced" appointments of those already interested, who then claim they had no choice.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 11:13
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The CAD has told them they can appoint training Captains
Without the individual pilot's consent?? Really? What is your source?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 11:55
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Without the individual pilot's consent?? Really? What is your source?
Read all the letters between the aoa and cad for the last few months. However the cad says only if the pilot is suitable to be a trainer, ie giving the individual a way out.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 12:02
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So many will take the position when they are told to .just wait
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 12:04
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Blame yourselves. You get the Union you voted for. The DFO has just bragged how he and the GC are buddies getting stuff sorted.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 13:34
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So if I get a letter in my mailbox saying “Congratulations, you have been selected to join the training department” what is the recourse if i say no? Do i lose my job? demoted to F/O? put on gardening leave?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 14:49
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Maybe don’t read the vol8 on your next sim...
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 15:21
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They still ask. Just like they do when they tell you that you have a command course. You can delay it for all matter of reasons. So those that go in will be those that want to. Simple as that.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 15:54
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Originally Posted by Natca


Read all the letters between the aoa and cad for the last few months. However the cad says only if the pilot is suitable to be a trainer, ie giving the individual a way out.
The simple fact that an individual would be unwilling to become a trainer would suffice to make him/her unsuitable to be one... There is no way they can force people into training against their will, that would be legal suicide. I suspect this is simply, as said above, a way to help the hesitant scabs across the ban.

Then again, there's your good old CX/Swire arrogance and condescension shining through...
It's never failed them before now, has it?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 17:04
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Wow, if there was ever an ill-advised Swire/CX strategy destined to prove the law of "unintended consequence", this is it. Going out to purchase more popcorn...
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 22:14
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This will give all want to be trainers the ability to become trainers during the TB and just blame the company for forcing them. How do we know these appointed new trainers have not expressed their interest already?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 22:53
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This will give all want to be trainers the ability to become trainers during the TB and just blame the company for forcing them. How do we know these appointed new trainers have not expressed their interest already?
The company has a long list of Captains wanting to join training, most of them would never have been selected years ago when there actually WAS a selection process. This amendment is meant to facilitate a path into training for these individuals. I doubt anybody will be forced to train, I'm sure some of these new trainers may claim this but the truth is that they are volunteers. Are they any good? Do they have the spare capacity to train and still safely fly the airplane? Probably not but nobody around here cares about that. Safety, standards, just culture, blah, blah, blah. It's all for show, we are becoming more unsafe every year, anyone who has been here awhile can see that.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 23:57
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I heard about this two months ago that they asked the CAD if they can appoint training captains without their consent. They obviously said they can.



Originally Posted by mr did
Without the individual pilot's consent?? Really? What is your source?


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Old 28th Mar 2019, 00:15
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No one will be made to do training. Anyone that does are those that have expressed interest in the past. It will be easy to tell as those selected will be sporadically located all over the seniority list .
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