Wasting Everyone’s Time and Creating Angst
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Wasting Everyone’s Time and Creating Angst
A great big Thank You to all the members who proposed Member Motions - for wasting everyone’s time and creating an incredible amount of disharmony. I really appreciate the trouble you all went to in trying to make our Union ‘better’.
In most cases you couldn’t generate more than 20% of actual support. Does that mean you are all out of touch with ‘the membership’. Should you be ousted in a coup?
So stop propagating baseless conspiracy theories and let our elected GC get on with representing us to the best of their ability without having to watch over their shoulders for friendly fire.
I’m sure they got the membetship’s message loud and clear from the No vote initially. They are not dummies acting out of selfish instinct. I trust that they are intelligent people who can adapt their positions to better reflect our wishes. Let them show that.
In most cases you couldn’t generate more than 20% of actual support. Does that mean you are all out of touch with ‘the membership’. Should you be ousted in a coup?
So stop propagating baseless conspiracy theories and let our elected GC get on with representing us to the best of their ability without having to watch over their shoulders for friendly fire.
I’m sure they got the membetship’s message loud and clear from the No vote initially. They are not dummies acting out of selfish instinct. I trust that they are intelligent people who can adapt their positions to better reflect our wishes. Let them show that.
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It seems to me the GC aren't able to negotiate with the company as the company are just imposing the components of the failed TA18 with tweaks to the pilot group. Thereby, propogating a period of no negotiations as they manage their business at hand.
I think it would be worth while having the GC escalate court cases on outstanding issues such as:
Holiday statutory pay/loading
Bypass pay and the fact it freezes an officers pay and actually causes them to lose money during their career.... Rather than get the increments at the correct time. Not the "intent" of bypass pay I believe.
Just to name a couple.
The only way this group will get anything and preserve what is alreadya there is through a constant fight through the appropriate channels.
Unfortunately, this is the agile transformation that we can expect.
I think it would be worth while having the GC escalate court cases on outstanding issues such as:
Holiday statutory pay/loading
Bypass pay and the fact it freezes an officers pay and actually causes them to lose money during their career.... Rather than get the increments at the correct time. Not the "intent" of bypass pay I believe.
Just to name a couple.
The only way this group will get anything and preserve what is alreadya there is through a constant fight through the appropriate channels.
Unfortunately, this is the agile transformation that we can expect.
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In most cases you couldn’t generate more than 20% of actual support. Does that mean you are all out of touch with ‘the membership’. Should you be ousted in a coup?
Once again underpinning how important it is to actually vote.
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I'm led to believe a number of motions also didn't pass because many of the votes were invalid; a result of the mechanics and timing of the voting process being deliberately made difficult. Apparently these votes are being touted as "abstentions".
From the title I thought this would be about the legal action from the 9 against the one. But no fear, at the threat of a well funded legal fight back, the bullies have backed down as they realised they might have to stump up the cash for the fight. What a pathetic waste of time and effort.
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What planet are you living on? You click yes or no
So stop propagating baseless conspiracy theories and let our elected GC get on with representing us to the best of their ability without having to watch over their shoulders for friendly fire.
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Yes that’s exactly my point. Only 20% actually positively agreed with those motions. The rest either disagreed or were unmoved. So we should remove the proposers and seconders from the union as being out of touch with the membership if we follow the logic of the person being sued. See how stupid that sounds?
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A great big Thank You to all the members who proposed Member Motions - for wasting everyone’s time and creating an incredible amount of disharmony. I really appreciate the trouble you all went to in trying to make our Union ‘better’.
In most cases you couldn’t generate more than 20% of actual support. Does that mean you are all out of touch with ‘the membership’. Should you be ousted in a coup?
So stop propagating baseless conspiracy theories and let our elected GC get on with representing us to the best of their ability without having to watch over their shoulders for friendly fire.
I’m sure they got the membetship’s message loud and clear from the No vote initially. They are not dummies acting out of selfish instinct. I trust that they are intelligent people who can adapt their positions to better reflect our wishes. Let them show that.
In most cases you couldn’t generate more than 20% of actual support. Does that mean you are all out of touch with ‘the membership’. Should you be ousted in a coup?
So stop propagating baseless conspiracy theories and let our elected GC get on with representing us to the best of their ability without having to watch over their shoulders for friendly fire.
I’m sure they got the membetship’s message loud and clear from the No vote initially. They are not dummies acting out of selfish instinct. I trust that they are intelligent people who can adapt their positions to better reflect our wishes. Let them show that.
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Just saying how it is. Any other interpretation shows a total lack of understanding in the HKAOA where once ( 15 years ago) I was a GC member. You've let the whimps in to run things and look where they have taken you/us. Vote them out and start again.
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It’s very serious on here these days. So just for a bit of levity I’ve got my own baseless theory.
Let’s say you are Capt Noddy, head of the union talking to the company last year. The company insists that this is the best deal they can come up with.
Capt Noddy says ‘Yeah but it’s a sh#t deal and the members won’t have it. So here’s what I’ll do. I’ll organise the top people in the union to universally support your sh#t sandwich. We’ll give it everything we’ve got. And after the members have resoundingly rejected it we’ll talk again about the REAL best deal you’ve got hidden in your briefcases’
Unfortunately Capt Noddy did not survive the process and several of his lieutenants are facing court martial. On the upside the company has got to be scared right? If we would turn so fiercely on our own, then they don’t know what we could do to them if properly directed.
Let’s say you are Capt Noddy, head of the union talking to the company last year. The company insists that this is the best deal they can come up with.
Capt Noddy says ‘Yeah but it’s a sh#t deal and the members won’t have it. So here’s what I’ll do. I’ll organise the top people in the union to universally support your sh#t sandwich. We’ll give it everything we’ve got. And after the members have resoundingly rejected it we’ll talk again about the REAL best deal you’ve got hidden in your briefcases’
Unfortunately Capt Noddy did not survive the process and several of his lieutenants are facing court martial. On the upside the company has got to be scared right? If we would turn so fiercely on our own, then they don’t know what we could do to them if properly directed.
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Just to be clear I am no fan of Capt Noddy. I never voted for him at any stage - not even when he was the only name on the ballot for goodness sake! I do not know him personally but believed him to be well meaning if somewhat ineffective. But a company puppet - no way. His record of years of service to his fellow pilots is a credit to him but should never have been the Chairman
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It’s very serious on here these days. So just for a bit of levity I’ve got my own baseless theory.
Let’s say you are Capt Noddy, head of the union talking to the company last year. The company insists that this is the best deal they can come up with.
Capt Noddy says ‘Yeah but it’s a sh#t deal and the members won’t have it. So here’s what I’ll do. I’ll organise the top people in the union to universally support your sh#t sandwich. We’ll give it everything we’ve got. And after the members have resoundingly rejected it we’ll talk again about the REAL best deal you’ve got hidden in your briefcases’
Unfortunately Capt Noddy did not survive the process and several of his lieutenants are facing court martial. On the upside the company has got to be scared right? If we would turn so fiercely on our own, then they don’t know what we could do to them if properly directed.
Let’s say you are Capt Noddy, head of the union talking to the company last year. The company insists that this is the best deal they can come up with.
Capt Noddy says ‘Yeah but it’s a sh#t deal and the members won’t have it. So here’s what I’ll do. I’ll organise the top people in the union to universally support your sh#t sandwich. We’ll give it everything we’ve got. And after the members have resoundingly rejected it we’ll talk again about the REAL best deal you’ve got hidden in your briefcases’
Unfortunately Capt Noddy did not survive the process and several of his lieutenants are facing court martial. On the upside the company has got to be scared right? If we would turn so fiercely on our own, then they don’t know what we could do to them if properly directed.
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Your blind followership of the current dysfunctional GC has got the pilot body at CX far.
Defnitely best to keep going with it and trust them to 'make things better'... I mean that has really worked well over the last 25 years...
The AOA is defunct. Hong Kong is like the wild west, only nowadays, the money of yesteryear is no longer there. Either put up or shut up.
Defnitely best to keep going with it and trust them to 'make things better'... I mean that has really worked well over the last 25 years...
The AOA is defunct. Hong Kong is like the wild west, only nowadays, the money of yesteryear is no longer there. Either put up or shut up.
