Upgrade out of seniority

[Jackschitt]

Apparently an ex Manchester based ex-dragon air captain who downgraded to f/o voluntarily and took a base in London is being offered an unadvertised captain slot in London.

It’s bad enough he stole a Cathay Pilots’ captains slot out of seniority once via the back door called dragon air. Now he’s about to do it again.

If the GMA goes through with this, there will be more than just 777 FOs being sick to worry about!

[DropKnee]

Seems like a clear violation on your contract. I suggest you grieve it. Take it to litigation if required. I am confident the UK courts would frown on such things.

[GMEDX]

Not a problem. The common seniority list will be announced shortly. He and others will then be plenty senior enough.

[reazasassain]

You are better off litigating it yourself and not relying on the AOA. They can't seem to get anything right.

At least some base slots are being opened up.

[The FUB]

Same pilot who was about to be demoted for incompetence ?

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by Jackschitt

Apparently an ex Manchester based ex-dragon air captain who downgraded to f/o voluntarily and took a base in London is being offered an unadvertised captain slot in London.

It’s bad enough he stole a Cathay Pilots’ captains slot out of seniority once via the back door called dragon air. Now he’s about to do it again.

If the GMA goes through with this, there will be more than just 777 FOs being sick to worry about!

This sounds very dubious to me. Manchester based initially, so a freighter jockey, now based in London ( LHR ) as an FO ( which fleet ? ) and no slots are at the moment available on either the jumbo or 777. I think this is a wind-up. If NOT, then a total breach of the basings agreement all based pilots currently operate to.

[Shag Nasty]

Originally Posted by The FUB

Same pilot who was about to be demoted for incompetence ?

Completely untrue 'The FUB'. I know this is a rumour network, but what you are saying is not correct. Please do not start spreading BS just to inflame the Pilots in CX. Everyone is looking for excuses to point fingers at each other at the moment, so what you are doing is very unhelpful......

[Table For 1]

A Lesson

In the content of this thread any sane person should see why joining CX should be a truly last resort. If it wasn’t bad enough dealing with the amoral chimps that Swire promote to f##% up a potential gold mine, then you can rely on the little green eyed monsters from Aus/Can/France/anywhere else....(delete as appropriate) that have had their own moral compasses totally distorted by greed to screw you over as well. (Your fellow pilots by the way).

Stay away, this place is more toxic than Chernobyl.

[main_dog]

For whatever it’s worth, the guy in question is a stand-up chap and in no way one of the people who make this place toxic.

[Brokeidiot]

Originally Posted by main_dog

For whatever it’s worth, the guy in question is a stand-up chap and in no way one of the people who make this place toxic.

How many times can one person act completely against the seniority list and still remain a “stand-up chap”?

[BalloonBuster]

Originally Posted by betpump5

So are you saying that the OP is correct in their story ? But it's ok because the guy is a "stand up chap"?

It's getting a little too cryptic here..

Yes the story is correct. AoA Europe is involved as well, conveniently hiding the whole operation from the rest of the seniority list until the damage is done and a precedent has been set.
What’s next ? All based FO’s to get commands on the base out of seniority ?

[Farman Biplane]

The AOA EUROPE president is pretty vocal on the HKAOA forums, so I am sure he will come clean about the issue and explain it all on the HKAOA forums soon....

[Oasis]

So what is the explanation for him taking a base out of seniority? Mitigating circumstances?

[The FUB]

I'm sure there are ex Paris CNs who would just at the chance to take a LHR 747 slot.

So why would this ex KA pilot be allowed to jump the queue?

And an upgrade would need to be completed with limited training resources

[corrigin]

This is a false rumour. It has been confirmed by the AOAOE Chairman.

I echo Shag Nasty's quote, "Please do not start spreading BS just to inflame the Pilots in CX. Everyone is looking for excuses to point fingers at each other at the moment, so what you are doing is very unhelpful."

[turnandburn]

You might find with more specific questioning that the AOAE interpret there date of joining as there dragon start date not cx start date hence there belief not out of seniority, and seniority in UK is not part of seniority in hkg
His answers would probably be misleading and would need more detailed questioning, I would be very dubious about his answers and intentions.

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by turnandburn

You might find with more specific questioning that the AOAE interpret there date of joining as there dragon start date not cx start date hence there belief not out of seniority, and seniority in UK is not part of seniority in hkg
His answers would probably be misleading and would need more detailed questioning, I would be very dubious about his answers and intentions.

There is seniority on a base BUT for any vacancy it must be advertised for all pilots in HKG and elsewhere and awarded on DOJ. So in theory an NZ based pilot could apply for a UK slot using his DOJ seniority into CX ( not his NZ base seniority ). The question is which DOJ counts ? DOJ joining CX / DOJ joining KA or DOJ transferring to CX from KA ? Whatever DOJ the vacancy MUST be advertised. Also, there are no mitigating or compassionate circumstances allowed.

[turnandburn]

Originally Posted by unitedabx

There is seniority on a base BUT for any vacancy it must be advertised for all pilots in HKG and elsewhere and awarded on DOJ. So in theory an NZ based pilot could apply for a UK slot using his DOJ seniority into CX ( not his NZ base seniority ). The question is which DOJ counts ? DOJ joining CX / DOJ joining KA or DOJ transferring to CX from KA ? Whatever DOJ the vacancy MUST be advertised. Also, there are no mitigating or compassionate circumstances allowed.

Then care to explain how they are london based now? Those slots weren't advertised. The Assc has turned a bind eye to it, there behaviour over recent years is appalling and getting worse.

[unitedabx]

Originally Posted by turnandburn

Then care to explain how they are london based now? Those slots weren't advertised. The Assc has turned a bind eye to it, there behaviour over recent years is appalling and getting worse.

Defaulted to LHR from MAN with AOA agreement.

[Flying Clog]

Right seat to right seat MAN to LHR furry muff. But an UPGRADE! No sir, that's not cricket.