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Old 10th Mar 2019, 00:25
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Fake News

The FOs were London based when they bid for LHR years and years ago shortly after they moved from KA to CX, that bid was open to all so was completely fair.
A bit of history here, bidding down to FO from CN was not allowed at the time anymore than it is now. In fact all KA CNs were transferred on a "first officer (rapid command)" deal, they had to wear FO stripes and do a shortened command course as there was no such thing as a DEC. Two guys failed and thus became FOs. One of those two left a few years ago. I don't know if the other one is the one that the OP refers to but would guess that this thread was started as fake news.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 01:16
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I looked at this with the AOA a while ago. When you start including CX pilots who have been pushed or forced off their base it gets very murky. In comparison to the opening of slots on certain bases going on right now.
Should a person who joined on (for instance) a Sydney base (say 3 years ago) get dragged to Hong Kong because base requirements change and there is no longer a slot for them?
Conversely, if the only slot available is a command slot in Brisbane but that would keep him in Australia should he get the CN slot in Brisbane because it’s only open to him?
What about when the company finds slots that weren’t previously advertised?
It opened up a hornets nest regarding how much control bases have over what they see as their base slots. And this idea of base seniority.

Much of which Hong Kong based crew had no realisation of.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 07:05
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Originally Posted by betpump5
And in case anyone thinks this is just a rumour, it isn't. The February 1 2019 Letter from Chairman AOAE to DFO is on the AOA website .

The letter states that it was a voluntary down grade to FO because said Captain couldn't take being apart from the family. This is certainly something we can all empathise with however how many other families are there who are suffering the same predicament?

I thought this is completely against the Basings Agreement . And now with Basings being opened up, and Trainers being accepted onto ANY base as per a recent FON, it seems the seniority system will be abused more now than ever . Has a precedent been set? Are Captains now allowed to take voluntary demotions in order to get a base?
Not only that but permanent basings for compassionate reasons were abandoned many years ago and many pilots have left the company to secure emplyment closer to their families because that option was removed. Could the fact that this particular pilot was ex KA management have any bearing on matters ?
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 18:09
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Direct your arrows at the company.
Not 100% in the know, but remember talking to an ex MAN captain
multiple options where available.
One of those options,
Downgrade to FO on LON base. Said Capt tried HKG for a month and didn’t like it and requested a downgrade according the base closure options.

Dont shoot the messenger
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 19:50
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Said Capt did not try it for a month. took the option of going straight to the RHS, LHR base.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 22:41
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Don't blame the individual or the AOA. This is what you get when you have a company management that willfully flouts all norms of decent personnel management expectations, violates all norms of contract law, lies, deceives, threatens and coerces. You end up with an airline with over 25 different pilot contracts, misery in nearly all groups, and nothing more to look forward to than disappointment and frustration. That is all CX now has to offer.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 01:28
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I love the way they bullshit their seniority, they joined in 2008. They keep including their Dragon air seniority, what a fracking joke this has become. Will laugh my farcking arse off if they get pax base ahead of hk AOA members. If you don't stop this shit don't complain about it. The little euro whine taster leader reminds of a little barstard from 1939.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 03:24
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Well the senior f/o’s Promised a London base in May which are now ‘deferred’ until December due to ‘brexit’ which has been a factor for 3 years... are now all happily scooting into virgin Atlantic ... we’ll played guys... well played.
Yet another own goal and who is this ‘stand up chap’ and who is he connected with?!!! Secret handshake?
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 03:57
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He's from,

EX KA from the "Troubles" province

Best buddies with baby Adolf
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 09:23
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In the Cathay Airline Group we now have

Date of hire
Date of joining
Date of transfer to CX
Seniority on a base

Will be very interesting to see which of these is used when the merger of the two seniority lists is proposed this July ? I have it on good authority that the cabin staff unions have agreed to DOJ for their merger due in Jan 2020.
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Old 13th Apr 2019, 11:09
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Just as well you don’t add ‘ability’ or ‘lack of ability’ to the list ��
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