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Initial Assessment SO (second officer) Cathay Pacific

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Initial Assessment SO (second officer) Cathay Pacific

Old 10th Jun 2019, 06:48
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Hong Kong
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Originally Posted by Cpt. Underpants View Post
No, he's obviously not saying you should stay away and wait for the tide to turn.
It will never turn (not in your favour, anyway)
The reality is
Low initial salary
Massive training bond
Expensive housing
No overtime, ever
You'll be at the bottom of a 1000 strong second officer "seniority" list
Advancement from SO to JFO is currently at 5 years and could easily reach 10 years or more
The airline is not growing in pilot numbers (seats, sure, but not airframe drivers)
Crewing compliment is being driven by accountants, not safety, and CN, FO, 2 x SO will be the norm
Apart from a swathe (Ī150) of retirements of A scale legacy pilots in the next 3 or so years, there are a lot of relatively young captains who will not be reaching retirement age for at least 25 years
You'll be poor and unable to afford to purchase any property in HKG, ever
Caveat emptor
If you join now, promotion to JFO who actually can fly a plane, requires at least 7 years or more, assuming they promote around 100 SO per year (which clearly they do not).
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 01:44
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post


Just when we all thought CX had hit rock bottom, the Management finds a way to go subterranean. Why am I even surprised? Is it now officially more difficult to become CX cabin crew than and a pilot? Maybe the cabin crew could double as pilots, a back to front conversion of sorts.
Well, a lot are applying at the moment... #femalepower
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 01:46
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Originally Posted by Backupnav View Post
Well, a lot are applying at the moment... #femalepower
Awesome!!! I canít wait to bring more of that excellence up front. #malecabincrewtoo
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 02:30
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post


Awesome!!! I canít wait to bring more of that excellence up front. #malecabincrewtoo
Yes I agree, I'm sure all their experience serving passengers will be a real asset on a dark and stormy night. It sure was nice when we actually hired pilots...
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 16:32
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Join Date: Apr 2019
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Hi Guys

Anybody know whats going on in recruitment? Seems like they are super busy with applications. I submitted my documents on 1st May and haven't heard back about the screening process. When I emailed them about interview dates I was told that the earliest dates are in August 2019. Anyone in the same boat as me?
Thank you.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 01:38
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Originally Posted by skychief1994 View Post
Hi Guys

Anybody know whats going on in recruitment? Seems like they are super busy with applications. I submitted my documents on 1st May and haven't heard back about the screening process. When I emailed them about interview dates I was told that the earliest dates are in August 2019. Anyone in the same boat as me?
Thank you.
Oh boy. If you think that waiting 6 weeks is a long time, you are up for a reality check. The entitled generation...
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 01:50
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To be honest Iíve been waiting for a year before they got back to me. And Iíd appreciate some professionalism from you. If not then keep your mouth shut and donít reply.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 02:00
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Haha thank you. I wouldnít mind a management position in the future.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 05:16
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Don't worry about the waiting time for applications, i'd be way more concerned about having to sit next to these guys for 12 hours at a time
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 03:34
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I miss the FH wannabes forum.
Me too....
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 03:41
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Originally Posted by broadband circuit View Post
Me too....
Me three! Wtf? Why get rid of that? Iím not interested in answering every non-pilotsí questions about how to fly at an international airline. Itís not a place to start a career. Everybody knows that. Let HR answer the questions... Iím not doing it.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 07:16
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Itís really kind of sad. I had 8,000 hours when I joined Cathay thinking it was the best gig on the planet. I spent 11 years there and left after it fell apart and I realized there was no future there. I gained a lot of experience but in this business seniority is everything. Now I get to start at the bottom of a proper airline. I wish the best to those that want to join Cathay but unfortunately I know they will experience the worst. Itís not a good place.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 09:39
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Oh rubbish, people make an Airline and I’m proud to work with some of the Worlds best. Yes we have issues here but most Airlines do.
I’m glad you left.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 20:30
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
Oh rubbish, people make an Airline and Iím proud to work with some of the Worlds best. Yes we have issues here but most Airlines do.
Iím glad you left.
Make CX Great Again!!!

box

P.S. - I left as well.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 08:16
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Payment for the program

Hey all. Iím a FAA CPL holder with 285 tt. Ive read this thread, as many have mentioned that since they have updated their requirements and also they donít require ATPLs any more, does it still make easy for the low hour pilots to get their hands on this. Also some one mentioned that the cadet will have to pay 50% of the funds, so how much is that exactly? We all know how hard and expensive it is to live in Hong Kong anyways. Thanks
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 00:00
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Originally Posted by Sario777 View Post
Hey all. Iím a FAA CPL holder with 285 tt. Ive read this thread, as many have mentioned that since they have updated their requirements and also they donít require ATPLs any more, does it still make easy for the low hour pilots to get their hands on this. Also some one mentioned that the cadet will have to pay 50% of the funds, so how much is that exactly? We all know how hard and expensive it is to live in Hong Kong anyways. Thanks
Do yourself a huge favor... Work at a US regional, then move on to a US major. If you donít, youíll regret the day you ignored this post!!!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 02:30
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285 hrs?

Perhaps you should apply to Ethiopian.

Or build some time and find a real job.

Learn some patience. Once upon a time it took 5000 hours to land a crap job at a low paying regional. These men will be your captain. Complaining about how long it took will get you a big cup of STFU and hopefully a slap across the face.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 02:34
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Originally Posted by Sario777 View Post
Hey all. Iím a FAA CPL holder with 285 tt. Ive read this thread, as many have mentioned that since they have updated their requirements and also they donít require ATPLs any more, does it still make easy for the low hour pilots to get their hands on this. Also some one mentioned that the cadet will have to pay 50% of the funds, so how much is that exactly? We all know how hard and expensive it is to live in Hong Kong anyways. Thanks

The cadet does not pay rather forfeits his HKPA for 3 years as a version of the payment and if he quits then hes on the hook for it.

Seriously if you have an faa cpl avoid hkg.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 02:51
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Sario. Heed the advice you are getting. You will be FAR better off following the traditional US route to airline employment. Instruct, regional...then major. Come to CX/HK and you will certainly regret your decision. Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but you will be much better off respecting the warning to stay away (and that applies to ANY pilot who can work in the US).
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 03:14
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Why are you guys discouraging people from coming here? Have you seen the number of SOs on the resignation list put together by the AOA? Why would you try and stop a massive own-goal by the other team?

I say come on over boys and girls, all welcome. Please apply and see for yourself. What have you got to lose? If you donít like making bunks and eating the sandwich tray for 4-7 years, you can always head to another airline like others are doing.
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