Shame Shame Shame !!!
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2.5 years ago we voted no and didn’t change a thing. We didn’t escalate or put anymore pressure.
This time, make sure if you vote no you’re prepared to put immediate pressure otherwise just vote yes and take the extra money.
This time, make sure if you vote no you’re prepared to put immediate pressure otherwise just vote yes and take the extra money.
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....what extra money....
I have never read a more appalling industrial document. Could you imagine any other major pilot union "recommending" something this purile? No, didn't think so. An emphatic NO from me, if for no other reason than principle. This WILL spell the end of the AOA, and any hope of a proper career. It's one thing for the company to try it on like this, but I can't understand how our own GC can "recommend" something this one-sided. You guys/girls know that you were supposed to be representing your members, not the management...? Wtf?
I have never read a more appalling industrial document. Could you imagine any other major pilot union "recommending" something this purile? No, didn't think so. An emphatic NO from me, if for no other reason than principle. This WILL spell the end of the AOA, and any hope of a proper career. It's one thing for the company to try it on like this, but I can't understand how our own GC can "recommend" something this one-sided. You guys/girls know that you were supposed to be representing your members, not the management...? Wtf?
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Clarabell, nice attempt at distraction. DS owns this. End of. The GC has NO business recommending such an appalling deal. I will be voting NO, not only on the deal, but on my own GC. Not fit for purpose.
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Just because the GC recommended it doesn't mean you have to vote yes. If it's as bad as the 15 or so people who post on the AOA forums say it is then it will be a 99.9% no vote.
In the event of a no vote, hopefully the HKPA guys will be happy to continue doing all the work fighting the battle for years to come so that guys renting for over $100k (who own 3 or more properties) don't have to pay an extra $4k!
In the event of a no vote, hopefully the HKPA guys will be happy to continue doing all the work fighting the battle for years to come so that guys renting for over $100k (who own 3 or more properties) don't have to pay an extra $4k!
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Apple. You missed the main point which is quiet common on prune.
Aside from that the majority actually do get extra money and he who gets $110k in housing doesn’t really need it. They got the extension they want.
Dont vote no without a plan of action. Otherwise the next “offer” will be worse again! If you plan on voting no plan on stepping it up otherwise we will just do this whole thing for another few years.
A year ago the AOA increased the monthly fees for increased action yet a year has passed and nothing has happened and now you all wonder why?
Step it up and start from the top! If it’s so worth risking your job lead by example starting with the Captains then people will follow suit. No junior guy will stick their neck out because if they get fired the next job will be less money and let’s face it that is why we are all here.
Aside from that the majority actually do get extra money and he who gets $110k in housing doesn’t really need it. They got the extension they want.
Dont vote no without a plan of action. Otherwise the next “offer” will be worse again! If you plan on voting no plan on stepping it up otherwise we will just do this whole thing for another few years.
A year ago the AOA increased the monthly fees for increased action yet a year has passed and nothing has happened and now you all wonder why?
Step it up and start from the top! If it’s so worth risking your job lead by example starting with the Captains then people will follow suit. No junior guy will stick their neck out because if they get fired the next job will be less money and let’s face it that is why we are all here.
Clarabell.......wow!
DS gets a pass for taking 3 years to achieve this because you think it's all the previous guy's fault?
How awesome is it to be DS!
Free ride thanks...it's not my fault, it's been 3 years, I achieved nothing, but, but, that's because of the guy before me....
Wow.
DS gets a pass for taking 3 years to achieve this because you think it's all the previous guy's fault?
How awesome is it to be DS!
Free ride thanks...it's not my fault, it's been 3 years, I achieved nothing, but, but, that's because of the guy before me....
Wow.
Sorry...but your posts still read the same....it's been 3 years...Whatever hate is in your heart against RF...it's burning strong, meantime your only advancement to why DS gets a pass....is that he is useless.
As to the history repeats concept...sure...but the opportunity existed to right any wrongs the moment RF was ousted....just because that person did nothing does not mean the 3 years never occurred.
3 years!
3 years to fix this.
what do we have? A big fat goose egg.
As to the history repeats concept...sure...but the opportunity existed to right any wrongs the moment RF was ousted....just because that person did nothing does not mean the 3 years never occurred.
3 years!
3 years to fix this.
what do we have? A big fat goose egg.
Yes , the recommendation from the GC sucks, so please keep your eye on the ball.
And, for the record kiddo, I have one [mortgaged] modest 2br flat. 30+ years in and on 24K/month. Like many. Get. Real.
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Let this be clear:
This forum is a symptom of the critical weakness carried by the pilot body. The company knows this, and in truth so do we.
All these rants and shouts of defiance are written behind a wall of anonymity. Anonymity. All - but a very few - fear personal retribution when they can't hide behind a VPN or a GC. For bloody good reasons I might add.
But it means there can be no further escalation, no strike, no last stand. Anything beyond the current line would require a show of faces and names. And that, in any meaningfull number, will not happen.
This vital aspect separates the HKAOA from all other unions in the West. And ignoring it, or fabricating a false reassurance via anonymous posts, leads nowhere good.
This forum is a symptom of the critical weakness carried by the pilot body. The company knows this, and in truth so do we.
All these rants and shouts of defiance are written behind a wall of anonymity. Anonymity. All - but a very few - fear personal retribution when they can't hide behind a VPN or a GC. For bloody good reasons I might add.
But it means there can be no further escalation, no strike, no last stand. Anything beyond the current line would require a show of faces and names. And that, in any meaningfull number, will not happen.
This vital aspect separates the HKAOA from all other unions in the West. And ignoring it, or fabricating a false reassurance via anonymous posts, leads nowhere good.
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